WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:05.000 715 offers his apologies but could not attend otherwise. 00:06.880 --> 00:07.720 So. 00:09.120 --> 00:14.120 You're sitting behind a little list whose name is on. 00:14.120 --> 00:15.360 Just call me Lou. 00:15.360 --> 00:16.200 Didn't call me Greg. 00:16.200 --> 00:17.640 Didn't call me Jay. 00:17.640 --> 00:18.960 Is that you Dan? 00:18.960 --> 00:22.120 Dan, Dan, right inside the front row. 00:22.120 --> 00:23.680 Found your placard. 00:23.680 --> 00:26.640 It's official, Dan's in the circle. 00:26.640 --> 00:31.640 So before we get into it, has everyone had a chance 00:31.920 --> 00:34.440 to familiarize themselves with the agenda 00:34.440 --> 00:39.440 and are there any adjustments that you think we need to make? 00:41.200 --> 00:42.040 Pat. 00:42.040 --> 00:42.860 Yes. 00:42.860 --> 00:45.840 I'm not speaking about wind surfing, just surfing. 00:45.840 --> 00:46.680 Okay. 00:46.680 --> 00:47.500 Sorry. 00:47.500 --> 00:48.340 Thanks very much. 00:48.340 --> 00:50.200 I took a little license with the title. 00:50.200 --> 00:53.240 Some of these things came together relatively quickly 00:53.240 --> 00:55.520 here at the end but I think we have really a good 00:55.520 --> 00:58.720 and diverse presentation on the recreational options 00:58.720 --> 01:03.320 for Humboldt County and there, at our next meeting 01:03.320 --> 01:05.560 I didn't have a chance to compile the statistics 01:05.560 --> 01:10.120 but I just went to the demographic presentation 01:10.120 --> 01:12.580 by Mr. Gallo about Humboldt County 01:12.580 --> 01:14.040 and how our economy's changing 01:14.040 --> 01:17.480 and how different sectors are shifting 01:17.480 --> 01:18.880 and that's mostly historic 01:18.880 --> 01:20.840 but I think there's a lesson therein 01:20.840 --> 01:23.880 so I'll try to recap a few of those things for us next time 01:23.880 --> 01:25.680 because they certainly have bearing. 01:27.840 --> 01:32.840 So we have a number of speakers who are involved 01:32.920 --> 01:34.760 in the fields that they're presenting on 01:34.760 --> 01:36.960 as is the custom of our forum 01:36.960 --> 01:39.080 and we will first have presentations 01:39.080 --> 01:41.320 and then we will break into a panel 01:41.320 --> 01:44.160 so people can respond to questions at the beginning 01:44.160 --> 01:47.600 but they can also then get more of a dialogue going 01:47.600 --> 01:52.600 with the presenters and in deference to a request 01:52.600 --> 01:55.640 from a committee member, I will give preference 01:55.640 --> 01:58.240 to committee members who wish to ask questions 01:58.240 --> 02:02.800 which is only fitting since they are committing to service 02:02.800 --> 02:07.800 and so Mr. Klassen, Tim Klassen's gonna present first 02:09.980 --> 02:12.800 and Tim actually is getting prepped for salmon season 02:12.800 --> 02:17.000 and is frightfully busy so he will be given dispensation 02:17.000 --> 02:19.160 from participation in the panel 02:19.160 --> 02:22.440 so you can go a little longer with your questions for Tim 02:22.440 --> 02:25.300 at the beginning since he'll be leaving us thereafter. 02:26.800 --> 02:31.800 We're star crossed trying to get the Arcada visitor center 02:31.840 --> 02:34.680 and Chamber of Commerce Brenda Bishop. 02:34.680 --> 02:37.360 She would have made a perfect co-presenter with Jim 02:37.360 --> 02:41.200 since they do a lot with the Godwit days 02:41.200 --> 02:43.860 but she banged her D last weekend 02:43.860 --> 02:46.240 and so we'll get Brenda in at some point 02:46.240 --> 02:48.660 because she's really a ball of fire 02:48.660 --> 02:50.920 but so then without further ado, 02:50.920 --> 02:55.920 I'll introduce Tim Klassen and Tim is Sportfish Captain 02:58.360 --> 03:00.760 par excellence, I can testify personally 03:00.760 --> 03:03.800 to riding out with him and he knows where they live, 03:03.800 --> 03:07.200 he knows what they want and people come from around the world 03:07.200 --> 03:10.640 to fish here because of the opportunities 03:10.640 --> 03:12.960 and Tim can expand a little on that. 03:12.960 --> 03:15.760 He's also very active in the Humboldt area 03:15.760 --> 03:18.760 Saltwater Anglers which is a group that tries 03:18.760 --> 03:21.280 to maintain fishing access and rights 03:21.280 --> 03:23.320 and this crosses over with another 03:23.320 --> 03:24.840 Harbor District Subcommittee 03:25.840 --> 03:29.120 and it also will actually be touched on in our next forum 03:29.120 --> 03:31.020 which is fisheries and aquaculture 03:31.020 --> 03:33.960 but because there is a significant recreational component 03:33.960 --> 03:37.680 to this, Tim's gonna address that part of it 03:37.680 --> 03:41.160 so please enlighten us. 03:41.160 --> 03:44.320 Okay, let's start out with a couple of numbers 03:44.320 --> 03:47.500 from California Department of Fish and Game. 03:47.500 --> 03:51.860 Last year, 2008, over four million 03:51.860 --> 03:55.460 saltwater angling trips were made from California ports. 03:58.600 --> 04:01.800 Sport fishing, saltwater sport fishing 04:01.800 --> 04:05.320 generated over $2 billion in economic activity 04:05.320 --> 04:08.440 that includes of course boat sales, fishing tackle, 04:08.440 --> 04:13.440 charters, motels, all the related stuff. 04:13.440 --> 04:18.360 Supports over 20,000 jobs in California. 04:18.360 --> 04:22.440 So saltwater angling is a fairly substantial 04:23.560 --> 04:27.560 economic power in California. 04:29.200 --> 04:32.320 Locally, there are about a dozen charter boats 04:32.320 --> 04:37.320 here in Shelter Cove, Eureka and Trinidad. 04:37.320 --> 04:39.520 There's a couple in Crescent City 04:39.520 --> 04:41.460 and some in Fort Bragg as well. 04:41.460 --> 04:46.100 Most of the boats are what they call six backs 04:46.100 --> 04:48.540 like my boat is where we take a maximum 04:48.540 --> 04:51.280 of six passengers out at a time. 04:51.280 --> 04:55.860 The old days of cattle boats are kind of gone now 04:55.860 --> 04:59.700 so it's a little more personal and experienced for people 04:59.700 --> 05:03.180 and I think most people appreciate that kind of thing. 05:03.180 --> 05:06.820 We can take the time to stop and watch whales or dolphins 05:06.820 --> 05:11.820 and spend some quality time on the water. 05:11.980 --> 05:16.980 In the last couple of years, I've taken out people 05:17.780 --> 05:21.500 from Belgium, Ireland, China, New Zealand. 05:22.500 --> 05:27.240 Earlier this year, I took out a fishing club from Austria. 05:27.240 --> 05:31.180 They had researched our area on the internet 05:31.180 --> 05:35.020 and they specifically came to Humboldt County 05:35.020 --> 05:40.020 to fish for halibut and they rented an RV in San Francisco 05:41.020 --> 05:44.980 and they were traveling to Portland and they only made 05:44.980 --> 05:47.580 I think two other stops on the way to fish 05:47.580 --> 05:49.940 and they were here specifically to fish 05:49.940 --> 05:53.300 so I think that says a lot about our area 05:53.300 --> 05:56.060 and the potential that our area has. 05:56.060 --> 05:58.500 There are people coming from all over 05:58.500 --> 06:00.300 and of course, we get a lot of people 06:00.300 --> 06:05.300 from all across the United States as well. 06:05.300 --> 06:08.060 Not everyone of course comes specifically 06:08.060 --> 06:09.140 to our area to fish. 06:09.140 --> 06:12.460 A lot of people come to see the Redwoods, do other things 06:12.460 --> 06:16.500 and it's a nice day excursion for them as well 06:16.500 --> 06:19.540 and then there are a lot of local people that enjoy fishing 06:19.540 --> 06:22.020 and they go out on our boats, 06:22.020 --> 06:24.020 the guys that don't have their own boats. 06:25.420 --> 06:26.880 And even some of them that do. 06:26.880 --> 06:29.220 Yeah, and even some that do have boats. 06:29.220 --> 06:32.740 As a matter of fact, our upcoming 10 day salmon season, 06:32.740 --> 06:36.260 I'll be taking out a couple of charter boat operators 06:36.260 --> 06:40.600 from Half Moon Bay that didn't get a salmon season this year 06:40.600 --> 06:43.980 and they're just dying to remember what one looks like. 06:46.620 --> 06:50.340 All the local charters booked up pretty quickly 06:50.340 --> 06:52.380 after the announcement of our 10 day season. 06:52.380 --> 06:56.660 There's a lot of pent up demand for salmon fishing. 06:56.660 --> 07:00.500 It's a pretty important activity here 07:00.500 --> 07:03.120 and in most of Northern California. 07:05.300 --> 07:08.140 There's I think three or four charter boats 07:08.140 --> 07:09.700 coming from out of the area 07:09.700 --> 07:12.140 to fish the 10 day salmon season here. 07:12.140 --> 07:14.900 One from Fort Bragg, one from Bodega Bay. 07:18.540 --> 07:20.380 I stopped by and I talked to a couple 07:20.380 --> 07:24.260 of tackle shop owners today just to get an idea 07:24.260 --> 07:26.820 how they felt their business changed 07:26.820 --> 07:28.420 because of the salmon season. 07:31.300 --> 07:36.300 They felt that they'd probably have a 50% increase 07:37.700 --> 07:42.340 in sales this month over the same period last year 07:42.340 --> 07:44.640 with no salmon season. 07:44.640 --> 07:47.380 They say it may even be more substantial than that. 07:47.380 --> 07:49.900 That's before the salmon season has started 07:49.900 --> 07:54.300 so they think they're going to continue to get business. 07:54.300 --> 07:59.300 I know here at Woodley Island there were over 80 boats 07:59.820 --> 08:02.100 on a waiting list to get slips 08:02.100 --> 08:04.060 so that they could avoid the rush 08:04.060 --> 08:05.500 at the launch ramps and stuff. 08:05.500 --> 08:08.060 So that's boats that aren't normally moored 08:08.060 --> 08:09.400 here at Woodley Island. 08:09.400 --> 08:11.180 There are a lot of boats that are going to be launching 08:11.180 --> 08:13.140 at all of the launch ramps. 08:13.140 --> 08:15.660 I know the city of Eureka and the county 08:15.660 --> 08:19.060 have made some arrangements for extra parking and stuff 08:19.060 --> 08:23.620 but I think it's going to be a pretty big deal around here, 08:23.620 --> 08:24.820 just a 10 day season. 08:24.820 --> 08:27.420 It would be a lot better for us and everyone 08:27.420 --> 08:30.620 if that was spread out over a longer season 08:30.620 --> 08:32.540 rather than concentrate all this effort 08:32.540 --> 08:34.580 and stuff at one time. 08:34.580 --> 08:37.180 I think it stretches our infrastructure 08:37.180 --> 08:42.180 and our ability to deal with that many boats in the bay. 08:43.340 --> 08:45.260 It should be an interesting time, 08:45.260 --> 08:49.980 especially if it's foggy out there. 08:49.980 --> 08:54.980 I think that recreational ocean angling 08:56.220 --> 08:58.620 has a lot of potential here. 08:58.620 --> 09:00.300 People that have lived here for many years 09:00.300 --> 09:03.420 know that at one time it was a really big deal around here 09:03.420 --> 09:08.420 and it missed salmon seasons because of issues 09:08.620 --> 09:10.140 with the Klamath River system 09:10.140 --> 09:12.200 and the Sacramento River system. 09:12.200 --> 09:17.200 Some of that activity has declined somewhat 09:17.280 --> 09:21.320 but the demand is still there 09:21.320 --> 09:25.640 and I think we can maybe make better use of it 09:25.640 --> 09:27.360 and I think we can do that. 09:27.360 --> 09:31.020 We don't need really large quantities of fish, 09:31.020 --> 09:35.300 we just need more opportunity really. 09:35.300 --> 09:40.300 We have some obstacles for improving 09:43.580 --> 09:47.280 recreational fishing opportunities around here. 09:48.380 --> 09:50.880 Our seasons of course like I said are one of them. 09:52.180 --> 09:55.020 We have a lot of closures around here. 09:55.020 --> 09:58.260 For example, rockfish at Shelter Cove 09:58.260 --> 10:00.700 and Fort Bragg this year was a three month season 10:00.700 --> 10:02.100 which means the season is closed 10:02.100 --> 10:03.580 nine months out of the year. 10:03.580 --> 10:06.740 In our area up here it's a four month season 10:06.740 --> 10:10.040 which means it's closed eight months out of the year. 10:10.040 --> 10:13.620 We're only allowed to fish out to water 120 feet 10:14.980 --> 10:18.420 maximum depth so anything deeper than that 10:18.420 --> 10:19.860 and farther out is closed. 10:19.860 --> 10:23.820 So basically 99% of US territorial waters 10:23.820 --> 10:27.860 is closed rock fishing and when the other 1% is open 10:27.860 --> 10:30.480 it's only open for three or four months a year. 10:30.480 --> 10:35.480 So really there's much less effort now out there 10:36.740 --> 10:38.220 than there has been in years past 10:38.220 --> 10:41.900 and the fishery has really responded to that. 10:41.900 --> 10:44.300 And there's scientific papers that document that. 10:44.300 --> 10:45.140 Yeah. 10:45.140 --> 10:45.960 Thank you. 10:47.500 --> 10:51.660 In fact for rockfish we basically catch our limits 10:51.660 --> 10:54.860 every trip if the anglers want limits. 10:55.940 --> 10:58.380 Frequently we take out people that don't feel the need 10:58.380 --> 11:01.020 to fill their bags with fish and stuff. 11:01.020 --> 11:04.100 They want to catch a few and move around and look around 11:04.100 --> 11:06.580 and enjoy the whole experience out there and stuff 11:06.580 --> 11:09.420 which I can really appreciate. 11:09.420 --> 11:11.520 But the guys that do want to go out on a trip 11:11.520 --> 11:13.100 and maybe can't afford a lot of trips 11:13.100 --> 11:15.380 and they want to put a few fish in their freezer 11:15.380 --> 11:17.100 then we do that as well. 11:17.100 --> 11:19.940 But I think in the last three years 11:19.940 --> 11:24.940 we've limited on every rockfish trip that we've taken. 11:24.940 --> 11:28.140 So they're really in pretty darn good shape out there. 11:28.140 --> 11:31.260 Of course weather's a big constraint. 11:31.260 --> 11:32.900 We have our 10 day salmon season. 11:32.900 --> 11:36.540 The forecast for Sunday is 11 foot swells, 11:36.540 --> 11:39.940 25 knots of wind which will keep a lot of us 11:39.940 --> 11:42.140 probably off of the water and definitely 11:42.140 --> 11:44.240 the small boat guys should be off of there. 11:44.240 --> 11:49.240 You know we have the MLPA coming up, marine reserves. 11:49.500 --> 11:53.180 So that 1% area that we're allowed to fish in now 11:53.180 --> 11:57.460 is going to be cut down by another probably 15% or so. 11:57.460 --> 12:02.460 Due to that we have high hopes that some compromises 12:02.980 --> 12:06.580 can be reached with that where we don't lose 12:06.580 --> 12:11.580 important fishing grounds and still be able to protect 12:12.340 --> 12:13.860 resources and stuff. 12:18.220 --> 12:20.260 I was asked to mention about some of the things 12:20.260 --> 12:22.700 that fishermen want around here as far as infrastructure 12:22.700 --> 12:25.820 and that sort of thing goes and I always hate 12:25.820 --> 12:29.020 to come asking for stuff or even appear that way. 12:30.100 --> 12:33.040 We have good launch ramp facilities around here. 12:33.860 --> 12:37.020 We have a couple of real nice marinas. 12:37.020 --> 12:40.220 There's a lot of motels and other tourist oriented 12:41.500 --> 12:43.140 infrastructure around here. 12:43.140 --> 12:46.460 One thing that we really don't have and that we really need 12:46.460 --> 12:50.060 are some fish cleaning stations so that fishermen 12:50.060 --> 12:53.180 when they get to the dock they can clean their fish 12:53.180 --> 12:57.900 and dispose of fish waste in a proper manner 12:57.900 --> 13:00.900 rather than put it in a garbage can and sneak down 13:00.900 --> 13:02.780 to the launch ramp at night and dump it in 13:02.780 --> 13:04.620 like some guys want to do. 13:06.300 --> 13:09.580 I think that they would dispose of that stuff properly 13:09.580 --> 13:11.900 if they knew how and where to do it 13:11.900 --> 13:15.620 and if there was a facility to handle that. 13:15.620 --> 13:19.780 The ramps that we do have, we could use a little more 13:19.780 --> 13:21.420 floating docks at some of those. 13:21.420 --> 13:25.980 The county ramp out at the old blimp base or seaplane base 13:25.980 --> 13:30.740 depends on what you call it, doesn't have a floating dock 13:30.740 --> 13:33.860 at all and it's fairly surgy there and it's a pretty dicey 13:33.860 --> 13:38.140 place to launch a boat although some guys do launch there. 13:39.460 --> 13:42.620 Ramp maintenance has been an issue because the two ramps 13:42.620 --> 13:45.420 over on this side of the bay tend to silt in 13:45.420 --> 13:50.420 quite regularly and the city of Eureka did a pretty good job 13:50.740 --> 13:53.700 of cleaning those out this year but they probably 13:53.700 --> 13:56.260 could be cleaned out annually would be a big help. 13:58.700 --> 14:03.700 Better parking at probably the Eureka Marina facility there. 14:05.540 --> 14:07.660 There's not a lot of parking areas there. 14:07.660 --> 14:09.460 There's a little bit of parking on the street 14:09.460 --> 14:11.380 that's frequently taken up. 14:12.300 --> 14:14.060 Could probably use a little more parking there. 14:14.060 --> 14:16.100 One of the biggest complaints that I hear from guys 14:16.100 --> 14:21.100 is restrooms which because of vandalism problems 14:21.340 --> 14:24.020 are locked at night and generally aren't opened 14:24.020 --> 14:27.220 until business hours, eight o'clock in the morning. 14:27.220 --> 14:29.900 Well that's, all the fishing guys are long gone. 14:29.900 --> 14:31.860 By then they would have liked to have used the restroom 14:31.860 --> 14:34.380 at daybreak or maybe a little bit before. 14:36.020 --> 14:38.620 And better security which is a real problem 14:38.620 --> 14:42.460 because all of our launch ramps really are in kind of, 14:42.460 --> 14:46.740 I don't know how to say, high transient areas 14:46.740 --> 14:51.180 and low visibility areas without a lot of traffic 14:51.180 --> 14:54.100 and stuff like fields landing and the one under the bridge 14:54.100 --> 14:56.900 and stuff, there have been a lot of break-ins and stuff. 14:58.660 --> 15:02.540 So those are some of the things that would help 15:02.540 --> 15:05.420 make this a nicer area for out of town fishermen 15:05.420 --> 15:07.020 and for local fishermen as well. 15:08.060 --> 15:12.060 I think there's a lot of potential to increase 15:12.060 --> 15:15.900 fishing related tourism here. 15:17.180 --> 15:22.180 There are now a lot of internet fishing websites and stuff 15:22.340 --> 15:25.100 and information travels real quickly. 15:25.100 --> 15:28.940 If we get into a, I'll use tuna for an example, 15:28.940 --> 15:31.700 if we get into a good tuna bite it's about a day 15:31.700 --> 15:34.340 and a half later and everybody's ready to go 15:34.340 --> 15:37.100 tuna fishing and stuff and that's people from, 15:37.100 --> 15:38.700 we get people from all over the area 15:38.700 --> 15:39.780 call for that sort of stuff. 15:39.780 --> 15:43.460 So I think that if we can provide people 15:43.460 --> 15:47.300 a good experience here, especially this upcoming 10 days 15:47.300 --> 15:49.500 and we'll probably see a lot of these people come back 15:49.500 --> 15:52.860 and I think that benefits all of us. 15:52.860 --> 15:54.020 That's about all I have. 15:54.900 --> 15:55.740 Awesome. 15:55.740 --> 15:56.580 Good stuff Tim. 15:56.580 --> 15:57.420 Thank you. 15:57.420 --> 15:58.260 Thank you. 15:58.260 --> 15:59.100 Good. 15:59.100 --> 16:00.940 Go ahead Greg. 16:00.940 --> 16:04.300 Could you tell us typically what your year looks like? 16:05.420 --> 16:06.940 Granted we've got 10 days this year 16:06.940 --> 16:08.700 but what does the year look like? 16:08.700 --> 16:10.940 What are the economic opportunities for you? 16:10.940 --> 16:12.380 What are the challenges? 16:12.380 --> 16:15.780 Are you and your cohorts making a fair living? 16:15.780 --> 16:17.740 Can you support your family doing what you're doing? 16:17.740 --> 16:18.900 Those kinds of things. 16:18.900 --> 16:19.740 Sure. 16:21.580 --> 16:24.820 If you're meaning fair by between poor to good. 16:24.820 --> 16:26.300 Ha ha ha ha. 16:26.300 --> 16:27.140 We are. 16:27.140 --> 16:27.980 Ha ha ha. 16:30.740 --> 16:34.460 It is difficult for, because of the season structure now, 16:34.460 --> 16:38.620 we have a, with no salmon season, 16:38.620 --> 16:41.460 that basically pushes us to halibut or rockfish. 16:42.500 --> 16:45.060 The halibut has a one fish limit, 16:45.060 --> 16:47.900 so a lot of people don't want to go out and spend, 16:47.900 --> 16:51.620 you know, what is it, you know, fairly expensive trip 16:51.620 --> 16:54.860 for a lot of people to catch one fish all day. 16:56.300 --> 16:58.820 And then rockfish is a four month season 16:58.820 --> 17:00.060 and out of the four months 17:00.060 --> 17:03.940 we probably lose a month and a half to weather. 17:03.940 --> 17:07.660 And the remaining time we have to have customers lined up 17:07.660 --> 17:11.380 at that time, which doesn't always work out. 17:11.380 --> 17:15.820 So between the weather, seasons, and customers, 17:15.820 --> 17:20.340 our season, basic fishing time starts basically in May 17:20.340 --> 17:24.380 and early, or actually middle of November now 17:24.380 --> 17:26.660 because of some crab trips that we can run. 17:28.900 --> 17:30.540 And then you take out weather 17:30.540 --> 17:34.260 and you take out, you know, client availability, 17:34.260 --> 17:37.220 then we probably actually fish for half of that time. 17:37.220 --> 17:40.060 So, and some of your guys actually, 17:40.060 --> 17:43.500 like Tom up at Trinidad, he fishes crab 17:43.500 --> 17:44.620 and then he does party boats. 17:44.620 --> 17:45.740 That's right, they do both. 17:45.740 --> 17:49.500 They stay diversified, I think is a fair bet. 17:49.500 --> 17:52.100 But that one fish that comes over the rail 17:52.100 --> 17:53.700 could be 140 pounds. 17:53.700 --> 17:56.340 This is like a world class critter out there. 17:56.340 --> 17:59.780 And so it's got a lot of allure. 17:59.780 --> 18:02.700 And that's, you know, a lot of people travel halfway 18:02.700 --> 18:04.940 around the world to catch a fish that big. 18:04.940 --> 18:07.780 And they're that way, not too far. 18:07.780 --> 18:08.620 Pete. 18:11.180 --> 18:15.220 How do you market your operation 18:16.300 --> 18:20.460 and how do you review how you book trips to fill your, 18:20.460 --> 18:23.460 I mean, you have agents, people acting as agents. 18:23.460 --> 18:28.460 And you also said that you need more opportunity. 18:28.740 --> 18:30.660 What did you mean by that? 18:30.660 --> 18:32.780 Okay, I'll take the last one first. 18:32.780 --> 18:35.380 What I meant by more opportunity would be 18:35.380 --> 18:36.900 possibly longer seasons. 18:36.900 --> 18:39.620 If we could stretch the seasons out, you know, 18:39.620 --> 18:42.100 like I said, we have a four month rockfish season. 18:43.860 --> 18:46.140 If we had six months or seven months, 18:46.140 --> 18:48.180 I think we could pick up a little bit more business 18:48.180 --> 18:50.300 during those periods of time. 18:50.300 --> 18:53.180 Or even Oregon has a year round rockfish season 18:53.180 --> 18:56.100 with a six fish limit as opposed to our 10 fish limit. 18:57.420 --> 18:59.380 There's mixed opinions on that, 18:59.380 --> 19:02.940 but I think it would be nice to have a longer season. 19:02.940 --> 19:04.980 And the thing is, is that if we get a little better data, 19:04.980 --> 19:06.580 Pete, which is kind of what we're trying to do 19:06.580 --> 19:08.940 with the MPA oversight committee, 19:08.940 --> 19:13.820 then we can probably extend this window and not over exploit. 19:13.820 --> 19:16.700 And I was just reading historical documents 19:16.700 --> 19:19.220 and a typical salmon season in 1970 19:19.220 --> 19:22.980 was February through November, wide open. 19:22.980 --> 19:25.540 And I don't think they shut the rockfish season 19:25.540 --> 19:26.500 in those years. 19:26.500 --> 19:29.180 And so I think we are overly restrictive 19:29.180 --> 19:31.900 and it's on the principle of precaution. 19:31.900 --> 19:33.940 And that is if you don't have any data, 19:33.940 --> 19:35.060 then you better shut it. 19:35.060 --> 19:39.380 And it's our counter that it's better for us to have data 19:39.380 --> 19:41.180 so that we can shepherd these fish 19:41.180 --> 19:44.500 and partake in the extraordinary richness of the oceans. 19:44.500 --> 19:47.860 So that's kind of an underlying thing 19:47.860 --> 19:49.100 in the prosperity report. 19:49.100 --> 19:51.580 It said if you wanna have stable fisheries, 19:51.580 --> 19:53.580 if you don't wanna have this uncertainty, 19:53.580 --> 19:56.420 if you wanna get investment in infrastructure, 19:56.420 --> 19:58.540 then make the seasons more certain 19:58.540 --> 20:00.220 by getting better data on fish. 20:00.220 --> 20:02.260 And while the government's reluctant, 20:02.260 --> 20:05.820 we are just absolutely adamant that we wanna get that data 20:05.820 --> 20:08.340 so that we can get the surety and the more extended 20:08.340 --> 20:10.580 opportunity and at the same time achieve 20:10.580 --> 20:12.180 conservation principles brandy. 20:13.140 --> 20:14.220 What's your target customer? 20:14.220 --> 20:18.260 Is it a retired or Bay area business, Sacramento business? 20:18.260 --> 20:20.940 You know what kind of incomes they have? 20:20.940 --> 20:23.820 Actually, it varies quite a bit. 20:23.820 --> 20:28.820 It's usually probably I would say middle class and up. 20:30.540 --> 20:34.180 Our trips are $150 per person. 20:34.180 --> 20:38.580 And a daily trip is $700 for the boat. 20:38.580 --> 20:41.220 So, you know, three or four guys want to get together 20:41.220 --> 20:44.500 and have the whole boat to themselves, they can do that. 20:44.500 --> 20:46.900 So it's not real inexpensive. 20:49.180 --> 20:50.980 A lot of guys have their own boats, 20:50.980 --> 20:53.900 which of course is very expensive. 20:53.900 --> 20:58.820 But yeah, I would say that most of the people we get, 20:58.820 --> 21:01.900 there's a large group of people that, you know, 21:01.900 --> 21:04.740 they live to go fishing and they like to experience 21:04.740 --> 21:06.380 different areas and stuff and they don't mind 21:06.380 --> 21:07.860 spending the money to do it. 21:07.860 --> 21:09.860 What do they tend to do when you're, 21:09.860 --> 21:10.700 because I know how it is out there, 21:10.700 --> 21:13.140 you never know sometimes when you're going. 21:13.140 --> 21:15.180 What do they tend to do in town? 21:16.220 --> 21:20.180 Or are they RVs, are they motel stairs? 21:20.180 --> 21:22.660 I would say mostly motel stairs, 21:22.660 --> 21:25.540 although a fair number of RVers. 21:25.540 --> 21:27.700 Occasionally we get a guy that tries to sleep 21:27.700 --> 21:31.460 in the parking lot here in his car, you know, the night before. 21:32.900 --> 21:36.300 So, but I would say mostly motels for out of the area. 21:37.140 --> 21:39.020 I'd say the bar business is probably pretty good 21:39.020 --> 21:39.860 with the rope. 21:39.860 --> 21:42.380 That's my impression of fishermen. 21:42.380 --> 21:44.740 And I wanted to answer Pete's other question. 21:44.740 --> 21:48.660 It was on marketing. 21:48.660 --> 21:51.580 Of course I'm a member of the, you know, 21:51.580 --> 21:53.340 Chamber of Commerce and stuff. 21:53.340 --> 21:57.300 But I also have a website and I do a daily fish report. 21:57.300 --> 22:00.820 So people, even if they don't intend to come 22:00.820 --> 22:04.140 and fish with me, they can look and see how we did yesterday 22:04.140 --> 22:06.260 or the day before or last week. 22:06.260 --> 22:08.940 And so they kind of get a pulse of what's going on. 22:08.940 --> 22:10.940 And when things are going real good, 22:10.940 --> 22:14.060 they get kind of jacked up and they want to, you know, 22:14.060 --> 22:16.140 come in and join in on that. 22:16.140 --> 22:19.100 So, but I think our biggest, that's been our biggest 22:19.100 --> 22:22.540 attraction has been our website. 22:22.540 --> 22:25.620 And I've been featured in a couple magazine articles 22:25.620 --> 22:27.260 and stuff on our fishing here, you know, 22:27.260 --> 22:29.060 that brings in some business. 22:31.020 --> 22:32.980 And then other than that word of mouth, you know, 22:32.980 --> 22:33.820 through tap the shot. 22:33.820 --> 22:36.180 He also has a phenomenally capable partner 22:36.180 --> 22:39.300 and that is his wife who looks most of these people 22:39.300 --> 22:42.380 and sweet talks him on the phone when he's out there 22:42.380 --> 22:43.660 slaying the big ones. 22:43.660 --> 22:45.300 Let's take one more. 22:45.300 --> 22:48.860 Just you mentioned the crab fishery November. 22:48.860 --> 22:51.780 How much of your business is that? 22:51.780 --> 22:53.260 So far, none for me. 22:54.220 --> 22:58.060 Just last year, we got the season fishing game 22:58.060 --> 23:01.700 to open the season earlier for recreational angling up here. 23:01.700 --> 23:05.820 It used to open the last Saturday before December 1st. 23:05.820 --> 23:08.820 And so frequently the commercial preset occurred 23:08.820 --> 23:11.700 before recreational could go set pots. 23:11.700 --> 23:14.940 So now we have about three weeks before the, you know, 23:14.940 --> 23:17.780 commercial season starts, three to four weeks. 23:17.780 --> 23:21.620 And so in that period now, people that want to get crab 23:21.620 --> 23:23.380 can go on one of our boats. 23:23.380 --> 23:26.060 They can go out there and actually get a limited crab 23:26.060 --> 23:29.540 at a pretty reasonable price and a two hour boat ride 23:29.540 --> 23:34.380 and get crab before they could buy it in the stores here. 23:34.380 --> 23:39.380 So, you know, that's been a big deal for us really. 23:39.660 --> 23:41.340 I'm afraid we're gonna have to break off 23:41.340 --> 23:43.980 even though I'd love to explore this topic further. 23:43.980 --> 23:48.980 Having a personal prejudice with regard to catching this. 23:48.980 --> 23:50.420 I'm gonna escape. Thank you, Pat. 23:50.420 --> 23:52.220 Thanks, Tim. Thanks very much. 23:55.020 --> 23:56.740 The Harbor District's own David Hall, 23:56.740 --> 24:01.100 our executive director will talk about how we support 24:01.100 --> 24:05.820 recreation in Humboldt Bay and it's Woodley Island and more. 24:05.820 --> 24:08.420 And it overlaps somewhat with our later speakers, 24:08.420 --> 24:10.100 with water trails and stuff like that. 24:10.100 --> 24:12.700 But David, take it away. 24:12.700 --> 24:13.940 It kind of overlaps everybody. 24:13.940 --> 24:16.300 And I appreciate the opportunity for this. 24:16.300 --> 24:19.860 This is kind of the unsung mission that we have in recreation. 24:19.860 --> 24:21.340 A lot of people don't realize all the things 24:21.340 --> 24:22.180 that we do in that. 24:22.180 --> 24:24.260 So I'm gonna go through a little bit 24:24.260 --> 24:27.020 and describe what the district does. 24:27.020 --> 24:29.340 Maybe some things that you are all pretty much aware of, 24:29.340 --> 24:32.340 but try to string them all together for you. 24:32.340 --> 24:34.300 Tonight, I'm just gonna go through our authority 24:34.300 --> 24:37.860 in recreation and I'll tell you why in just a minute. 24:37.860 --> 24:41.700 Describe the facilities generally in Humboldt Bay 24:41.700 --> 24:43.700 that are available for marine recreation 24:43.700 --> 24:46.540 and then give you the status of some of the district's 24:46.540 --> 24:47.740 projects that we have. 24:50.260 --> 24:51.660 So our authority here. 24:51.660 --> 24:53.940 I wanted to kind of remind you guys of this, 24:53.940 --> 24:55.860 just to kind of kick this off. 24:57.620 --> 25:00.980 The Harbor District's territory is all Humboldt County. 25:00.980 --> 25:02.620 The regulatory jurisdiction is only up to 25:02.620 --> 25:03.540 mean high or high water. 25:03.540 --> 25:06.740 You remember when Larry gave a talk a couple of shows ago, 25:06.740 --> 25:10.820 he noted that something that I want to bring back up to you, 25:12.420 --> 25:16.980 again, which is that the district, 25:16.980 --> 25:18.700 if it's within the bay, 25:18.700 --> 25:21.940 we have the authority to do whatever project there is. 25:21.940 --> 25:25.500 The other place we have authority to do a project 25:25.500 --> 25:27.100 or to work on some facility or something 25:27.100 --> 25:29.540 is if we actually own the property 25:29.540 --> 25:31.940 or have some lease or some other kind of business 25:31.940 --> 25:34.500 relationship that allows us the authority to have that. 25:34.500 --> 25:37.500 Otherwise, even though we can do things 25:37.500 --> 25:38.900 throughout the county, 25:38.900 --> 25:42.340 we can only really do them if we have some hook to the land. 25:42.340 --> 25:44.220 Otherwise, we just end up supporting things. 25:44.220 --> 25:46.740 So you see us in a supportive role a lot for things 25:46.740 --> 25:48.620 that are outside of our jurisdiction, 25:48.620 --> 25:50.220 but still within the county here. 25:51.340 --> 25:53.100 Just to refresh your memory, 25:53.100 --> 25:55.060 so that jurisdiction in the mean high or high water 25:55.060 --> 25:56.460 is basically just the shoreline. 25:56.460 --> 25:58.020 It's the blue line that's up here. 25:58.020 --> 26:00.100 The pink one, this is from our Humboldt Bay manager plan 26:00.100 --> 26:02.580 that is really what we call the sphere of influence. 26:02.580 --> 26:04.060 Still, it's outside of our authority, 26:04.060 --> 26:05.900 but it was something when we were doing some planning, 26:05.900 --> 26:08.500 we wanted to make sure that we looked at those uses 26:08.500 --> 26:10.140 that were there. 26:10.140 --> 26:11.340 The guidance documents, of course, 26:11.340 --> 26:12.620 the district uses to get there. 26:12.620 --> 26:14.100 The harbor's navigation code, 26:14.100 --> 26:15.700 appendix two, that's where we come from. 26:15.700 --> 26:19.300 That was the act that created the harbor district back in 1970. 26:19.300 --> 26:20.260 Humboldt Bay manager plan, 26:20.260 --> 26:21.460 a lot of you were involved with that. 26:21.460 --> 26:24.060 Some of you still are involved with the implementation 26:24.060 --> 26:26.740 of the manager plan now that it's been approved 26:26.740 --> 26:28.180 and our five-year strategic plan. 26:28.180 --> 26:29.900 So that's really the core of the documents 26:29.900 --> 26:33.140 that tell us what we're supposed to do in all our missions, 26:33.140 --> 26:34.700 how we're supposed to balance harbor recreation 26:34.700 --> 26:35.860 and conservation. 26:35.860 --> 26:38.140 We're going to focus on recreation here. 26:38.140 --> 26:40.340 So in recreation in the main management plan, 26:40.340 --> 26:41.740 there's 39 different policies. 26:41.740 --> 26:44.300 You can see what the goal of that was. 26:44.300 --> 26:46.020 They're focused on maintaining 26:46.020 --> 26:48.020 and or increasing recreational opportunities 26:48.020 --> 26:51.100 and coastal access in Humboldt Bay 26:51.100 --> 26:52.500 because it's the Humboldt Bay manager plan. 26:52.500 --> 26:54.220 Remember, we can do projects other places. 26:54.220 --> 26:55.580 This is just the Humboldt Bay plan, 26:55.580 --> 26:57.580 one of our guidance documents. 26:57.580 --> 26:59.100 In the Humboldt Bay manager plan, 26:59.100 --> 26:59.940 those of you familiar with it, 26:59.940 --> 27:03.100 you know, there is this land use, kind of water use 27:03.100 --> 27:06.700 designation thing that the board adopted. 27:06.700 --> 27:08.860 Basically the blue area here, 27:08.860 --> 27:10.820 there's two principal uses of the bay. 27:10.820 --> 27:11.900 This is harbor. 27:11.900 --> 27:15.820 The kind of the purple area here is bay conservation. 27:15.820 --> 27:18.260 There are two combining designations that we use. 27:18.260 --> 27:20.140 The marine recreation being one of them. 27:20.140 --> 27:21.260 And you can't barely see it, 27:21.260 --> 27:23.780 but it's little red pieces that are all around, 27:23.780 --> 27:25.660 kind of around the perimeters here. 27:25.660 --> 27:27.620 That doesn't mean that those are the only places 27:27.620 --> 27:30.380 the district has anything to do with marine recreation. 27:30.380 --> 27:33.180 It's just that in those areas, when the plan was written, 27:33.180 --> 27:36.940 those were areas that had more or less exclusive use 27:36.940 --> 27:38.620 of marine recreation in those areas. 27:38.620 --> 27:41.180 Marine recreation, of course, is something that can go 27:41.180 --> 27:42.460 throughout the entire bay. 27:43.860 --> 27:47.860 The 2007 to 11 strategic plan objectives, 27:47.860 --> 27:50.380 I won't read them all, except maybe the last one there, 27:50.380 --> 27:51.740 because it makes two points for me. 27:51.740 --> 27:53.660 Respond to emerging issues, 27:53.660 --> 27:56.180 which may have a significant impact on the environment, 27:56.180 --> 27:58.020 environmental protection, recreation, 27:58.020 --> 28:01.340 economic opportunity, or safety concerns. 28:01.340 --> 28:04.780 Again, this is in our 2007, 2011 strategic plan. 28:04.780 --> 28:08.020 So this changes every five years where the district 28:08.020 --> 28:10.540 and the public and meetings just similar to this, 28:10.540 --> 28:12.380 come up with ideas of where the district 28:12.380 --> 28:14.540 should put its focus for the next five years. 28:14.540 --> 28:17.300 This is for the five year period we're in right now. 28:17.300 --> 28:20.020 The other point I wanted to make about this piece 28:20.020 --> 28:22.220 is that the district has had a tradition 28:22.220 --> 28:24.340 of being reactive to the community. 28:24.340 --> 28:26.660 Groups just like this one throughout its history 28:26.660 --> 28:29.180 have come up with ideas that then the district pursues. 28:29.180 --> 28:32.300 The district has never really been in a place 28:32.300 --> 28:33.900 where it sits in some dark room somewhere 28:33.900 --> 28:35.260 and comes up with how it's gonna be 28:35.260 --> 28:36.820 and then tries to sell it to the public. 28:36.820 --> 28:39.060 It's always the other way around. 28:39.060 --> 28:40.180 And that's what this one really is. 28:40.180 --> 28:42.940 These emerging issues are things that actually come out 28:42.940 --> 28:45.180 of what you guys are working on through this committee. 28:45.180 --> 28:46.780 Those will be emerging issues 28:46.780 --> 28:48.380 that the district will react to. 28:49.700 --> 28:53.420 Okay, so the maritime marine recreational facilities 28:53.420 --> 28:55.420 around Humboldt Bay here. 28:55.420 --> 28:57.580 As you know, and Tim mentioned and you know, 28:57.580 --> 28:59.780 there's two public marinas here. 28:59.780 --> 29:01.900 Woodley Island Marina has 234 slips. 29:01.900 --> 29:04.260 The City's has 134 slips. 29:04.260 --> 29:06.500 Little smaller but still critically important 29:06.500 --> 29:07.700 on one of only two. 29:07.700 --> 29:10.820 There's only two private marinas in Humboldt Bay here. 29:10.820 --> 29:12.180 And they're both down in King Salmon, 29:12.180 --> 29:14.820 Easy Landing and Johnny's Marina down there. 29:14.820 --> 29:15.740 And as you can see down there, 29:15.740 --> 29:19.420 there's approximately 6,400 recreational vessels 29:19.420 --> 29:21.460 that are registered in Humboldt County. 29:21.460 --> 29:23.540 And remember that doesn't count kayaks and stuff. 29:23.540 --> 29:26.180 So that's just things that get state stickers. 29:27.140 --> 29:28.860 There's four boat launch facilities. 29:28.860 --> 29:30.220 This is for all boats. 29:30.220 --> 29:31.500 So this could be paddle craft, 29:31.500 --> 29:35.500 but mostly this category is for the trailable boats 29:35.500 --> 29:36.700 like Tim was talking about. 29:36.700 --> 29:41.100 All these folks that are coming up for the salmon season. 29:41.100 --> 29:42.700 They're gonna heavily use these areas. 29:42.700 --> 29:45.500 There's the one under the Samoa Bridge Tim mentioned. 29:45.500 --> 29:48.700 There's one at Eureka Marina, Fields Landing. 29:48.700 --> 29:51.060 And then there's, we call it Fairhaven, 29:51.060 --> 29:53.940 the Samoa one, whatever the old blimp base out there 29:53.940 --> 29:54.780 is the other one. 29:54.780 --> 29:56.780 This is actually a picture of Fields Landing. 29:58.020 --> 30:01.260 There's six official paddle craft launch areas. 30:01.260 --> 30:02.100 And I call it like that 30:02.100 --> 30:04.060 because there's a lot of unofficial paddle craft here. 30:04.060 --> 30:06.860 It's pretty much anywhere you can get to the water 30:06.860 --> 30:08.980 comfortably or not. 30:08.980 --> 30:10.540 You can put a paddle craft in. 30:10.540 --> 30:13.340 But these are kind of the ones that in a lot of cases, 30:13.340 --> 30:15.580 the public owns them. 30:15.580 --> 30:18.660 And we do something to try to keep them together. 30:18.660 --> 30:20.980 So there's one here at Woodley Island Marina. 30:20.980 --> 30:22.540 Hooked in Slough way down in South Bay. 30:22.540 --> 30:24.340 The Refuge runs one. 30:24.340 --> 30:25.340 Arcada Marsh, of course. 30:25.340 --> 30:27.460 Target up here in Eureka Slough. 30:27.460 --> 30:29.800 Just barely up Eureka Slough there. 30:29.800 --> 30:32.540 The Adorne Center and the Hummel Bay rowing dock, 30:32.540 --> 30:35.300 which is what this dock is here. 30:36.700 --> 30:38.100 We got a couple of guest docks. 30:38.100 --> 30:41.340 These are docks that visiting yachts can use. 30:41.340 --> 30:43.580 Museum ships, we do special events there, 30:43.580 --> 30:44.420 things like this. 30:44.420 --> 30:46.220 The Bonnie Gould guest dock is the biggest one. 30:46.220 --> 30:48.420 It's the one that's just right straight across 30:48.420 --> 30:50.220 from Woodley Island Marina over here. 30:50.220 --> 30:51.940 The other one is at F Street, 30:51.940 --> 30:55.420 which is on Eureka's boardwalk. 30:55.420 --> 30:56.260 It's not so big. 30:56.260 --> 30:57.760 It's really not an overnight kind of place, 30:57.760 --> 31:00.180 but it serves a guest dock function. 31:01.940 --> 31:03.500 Wildlife areas and connections to those. 31:03.500 --> 31:05.860 Jim's gonna talk about these kind of things. 31:05.860 --> 31:09.460 These are areas that we maintain access to. 31:09.460 --> 31:11.700 Bays or sloughs or something that are around here. 31:11.700 --> 31:15.060 You can see there's quite a list of these around the bay. 31:15.060 --> 31:16.660 This is actually a picture of our Park Street 31:16.660 --> 31:17.980 restoration project. 31:17.980 --> 31:19.980 I'm gonna talk a little bit more about the districts 31:19.980 --> 31:22.740 and wildlife areas and their recreational component 31:22.740 --> 31:27.080 when we get to the districts projects, which is right now. 31:29.140 --> 31:31.300 So we really have kind of three areas 31:31.300 --> 31:32.980 that I wanted to talk about 31:32.980 --> 31:36.140 for that the Harbor District works in recreational areas 31:36.140 --> 31:37.280 as far as facilities go. 31:37.280 --> 31:38.800 Woodley Island Marina, of course, 31:38.800 --> 31:41.760 kind of the flagship of the districts infrastructure 31:41.760 --> 31:42.940 has a number of different things here. 31:42.940 --> 31:44.620 I'll describe a little bit of that. 31:44.620 --> 31:48.820 Our wildlife areas and the Shelter Cove launching facility. 31:48.820 --> 31:52.220 We also work in support and cooperative programs 31:52.220 --> 31:53.900 and projects with other agencies. 31:53.900 --> 31:55.400 And I'm gonna describe those a little bit too, 31:55.400 --> 31:57.560 but just some of those are other launch ramps, 31:57.560 --> 32:01.840 water trails program that I know Jennifer's gonna talk about, 32:01.840 --> 32:03.900 signage, expo, things like that. 32:03.900 --> 32:06.420 So we'll cover those real quickly here. 32:06.420 --> 32:09.860 Woodley Island Marina again has that number of slips. 32:09.860 --> 32:11.720 They go 30 to 70 feet. 32:11.720 --> 32:13.940 We can accommodate vessels up to 130 feet. 32:15.180 --> 32:16.300 Not very many of them, 32:16.300 --> 32:19.660 but a few of them on the end ties out there. 32:19.660 --> 32:20.980 We have a lot of things going here. 32:20.980 --> 32:22.900 If you've ever listened to our hold message, 32:22.900 --> 32:25.060 the whole hold message, which hopefully you haven't, 32:25.060 --> 32:27.000 but if you ever have, 32:27.000 --> 32:30.020 we kind of go through all the neat stuff that's out here. 32:31.780 --> 32:34.340 We have the docks, of course, the floating breakwater, 32:34.340 --> 32:36.100 the restaurant, the office complex, 32:36.100 --> 32:38.820 which surrounds us here, the Coast Guard, 32:38.820 --> 32:42.300 the Corps of Engineers, the ship shop is right here. 32:42.300 --> 32:43.700 Next to us, of course, we've got parking. 32:43.700 --> 32:47.140 We've got hoists that are for tenants and non-tenant use. 32:47.140 --> 32:49.260 We've got storage areas that are out 32:49.260 --> 32:52.900 on the kind of the Northwest end of the island out here. 32:52.900 --> 32:55.020 Canoe kayak launch, I mentioned. 32:55.020 --> 32:57.820 We have educational signage along the boardwalk 32:57.820 --> 33:00.220 out here at the Embark and Arrow, 33:00.220 --> 33:02.620 mostly related to fishing infrastructure 33:02.620 --> 33:06.500 and boating and mariculture and things like that. 33:06.500 --> 33:10.500 Little dated, but still pretty appropriate. 33:10.500 --> 33:12.940 We have three recycling stations that are out here 33:12.940 --> 33:14.580 for basically everything. 33:14.580 --> 33:18.620 We have two waste oil recycling stations. 33:18.620 --> 33:19.700 People change their oil and things. 33:19.700 --> 33:22.380 We have an oily bilge water recovery system out here 33:22.380 --> 33:23.780 that's pretty important. 33:23.780 --> 33:24.620 That's available. 33:24.620 --> 33:27.060 There's one of those available to every slip 33:27.060 --> 33:29.380 that's out here, so it's pretty handy. 33:31.780 --> 33:33.460 And then we have a bunch of historic displays out here. 33:33.460 --> 33:35.020 You're all aware of the lighthouse. 33:35.020 --> 33:36.980 We have an old anchor that if you were here 33:36.980 --> 33:38.420 at the Maritime Expo last year, 33:38.420 --> 33:40.820 that's down there next to the lighthouse, 33:40.820 --> 33:44.100 the Whistle Buoy, the Fisherman's Memorial, 33:44.100 --> 33:45.540 all those kind of things out here. 33:45.540 --> 33:47.740 Lots of stuff for people to do and see 33:47.740 --> 33:52.580 as well as just do their boating. 33:52.580 --> 33:55.060 It really is kind of a park-like atmosphere. 33:55.060 --> 33:57.820 You know, you see a lot of people coming out for lunch, 33:57.820 --> 34:00.820 you know, just taking walks, things like that. 34:00.820 --> 34:01.740 Seems to be a night plate. 34:01.740 --> 34:05.860 There's the lighthouse, of course, Fisherman's Memorial. 34:05.860 --> 34:07.260 That's actually the Fisherman's Statue. 34:07.260 --> 34:09.140 The memorial is actually just on shore, 34:09.140 --> 34:12.380 kind of right behind where this picture was taken from. 34:12.380 --> 34:14.020 It's a little obelisk down there. 34:15.380 --> 34:18.620 The fleet mix that we have changes over the year. 34:18.620 --> 34:20.060 And these are kind of generalities 34:20.060 --> 34:22.540 because it changes with seasons and things like that. 34:22.540 --> 34:24.700 But generally, this is kind of what it looks like. 34:24.700 --> 34:28.020 In the summertime, it's about 60% recreational vessels 34:28.020 --> 34:30.100 and 40% commercial. 34:30.100 --> 34:31.980 In the wintertime, it switches the other way around 34:31.980 --> 34:34.620 with crab season coming up, 34:34.620 --> 34:39.500 where we have about 40% recreation and 60% commercial. 34:39.500 --> 34:43.260 Our tenants generally fall into these categories here. 34:43.260 --> 34:45.820 We have, of course, recreational vessels, sailboats, 34:45.820 --> 34:48.340 power boats, all these different kinds of things out there. 34:48.340 --> 34:49.660 Commercial vessels, we have a bunch 34:49.660 --> 34:51.300 of different categories of those. 34:52.180 --> 34:54.100 Commercial fishing vessels, of course. 34:54.100 --> 34:58.940 The mariculture support fleet's there, most of it. 34:58.940 --> 35:01.820 Charter fishing, it's what Tim does. 35:01.820 --> 35:05.180 Tug, our pilot boat lives here. 35:05.180 --> 35:07.660 We have boat rentals, that's what Hawk does. 35:07.660 --> 35:08.940 Instruction, things like that. 35:08.940 --> 35:11.980 So that's all here at Woodley Island. 35:11.980 --> 35:13.500 In addition to that, we have quite a hub 35:13.500 --> 35:15.620 of government vessels that are out here. 35:15.620 --> 35:16.940 You see some of them, 35:16.940 --> 35:18.380 but you don't see a lot of those out there. 35:18.380 --> 35:19.540 Of course, the Coast Guard's out here. 35:19.540 --> 35:20.820 This is the home port for the Barracuda 35:20.820 --> 35:23.100 and the 87-foot patrol boat 35:23.100 --> 35:25.700 that lives out the end of FDOC here. 35:25.700 --> 35:28.260 HSU's Coral Sea, their research vessel, 35:28.260 --> 35:32.660 of course, is down on our floating breakwater. 35:32.660 --> 35:33.500 Let's see, what else? 35:33.500 --> 35:34.780 The sheriff is here. 35:34.780 --> 35:37.740 We keep our vessels here. 35:37.740 --> 35:40.500 Fish and Wildlife Service throughout the year 35:40.500 --> 35:41.780 has vessels in and out of here. 35:41.780 --> 35:42.940 We've got Tribe also. 35:42.940 --> 35:44.060 The Corps of Engineers does. 35:44.060 --> 35:45.180 When they're doing survey work, 35:45.180 --> 35:47.020 they'll have a vessel in here. 35:47.020 --> 35:48.140 And NOAA. 35:48.140 --> 35:49.940 We also have a category of liveabords. 35:49.940 --> 35:52.500 As part of our deal with boating and waterways 35:52.500 --> 35:55.620 and U.S. Department of Commerce, 35:55.620 --> 35:59.660 we were required to have 10% of the slips available 35:59.660 --> 36:01.100 for people to live on their boats. 36:01.100 --> 36:03.380 And so we have a whole bunch of different fee categories 36:03.380 --> 36:05.060 and rules and everything. 36:05.060 --> 36:08.540 So that would mean we could have 24 people out here 36:08.540 --> 36:09.580 living on their boats. 36:09.580 --> 36:10.940 Right now we have about six. 36:13.260 --> 36:14.500 Mortgage rates. 36:14.500 --> 36:16.020 Some of the people have had questions about this. 36:16.020 --> 36:19.620 We just finished our budget process here not too long ago. 36:19.620 --> 36:21.500 Just kind of a comparison of where we are 36:21.500 --> 36:24.500 versus some of the other marinas that are around here. 36:24.500 --> 36:27.100 This one's down in Bodega, you know where Noyo is. 36:27.100 --> 36:28.300 There's the city's marina. 36:28.300 --> 36:30.100 Crescent City has a couple of them. 36:30.100 --> 36:32.940 And Brookings has a couple of different fee structures too. 36:32.940 --> 36:35.580 This is monthly rates and yearly rates. 36:35.580 --> 36:40.580 Most places give a break for the yearly attendance. 36:40.620 --> 36:41.460 You can kind of see that. 36:41.460 --> 36:44.580 But you can see that we're the outside of Noyo, 36:44.580 --> 36:47.300 which has really limited facilities there in Fort Bragg. 36:47.300 --> 36:50.180 We're the lowest in this probably couple hundred mile 36:50.180 --> 36:52.740 stretch of coast right there. 36:52.740 --> 36:56.300 And that's after two fee increases over the last two years. 36:57.980 --> 36:59.260 District wildlife areas. 36:59.260 --> 37:00.860 Park Street, Elk River Wildlife Area, 37:00.860 --> 37:02.620 Woodley Island Wildlife Area, 37:02.620 --> 37:04.740 and the King Salmon Beach or Booner Point. 37:05.660 --> 37:07.100 King Salmon Beach is probably the one 37:07.100 --> 37:09.100 that gets the most use. 37:09.100 --> 37:12.060 You've been out there, I'm sure you go down the industry 37:12.060 --> 37:13.380 as soon as you start seeing houses. 37:13.380 --> 37:14.780 The beach that's on the other side there 37:14.780 --> 37:16.900 is all Harbor District property. 37:17.820 --> 37:19.900 It's kind of technically a wildlife area 37:19.900 --> 37:22.420 because it was a dune restoration project 37:22.420 --> 37:23.820 early in its life. 37:23.820 --> 37:28.060 But then when the dune plants got to a certain place 37:28.060 --> 37:29.620 and we got the okay from the agencies, 37:29.620 --> 37:33.420 we opened that up to be pretty major public access down there. 37:33.420 --> 37:35.420 It's a pretty popular area. 37:35.420 --> 37:37.780 We spend quite a bit of time maintaining that. 37:37.780 --> 37:39.220 We've got some fire rings down there. 37:39.220 --> 37:42.620 There's trails, nice protected beach access, 37:42.620 --> 37:45.380 skim board, or just hang around down there. 37:45.380 --> 37:47.300 Works out pretty good. 37:47.300 --> 37:49.820 Park Street has some limited trails. 37:49.820 --> 37:51.700 On it, Woodley Island Wildlife Area, 37:51.700 --> 37:53.220 the Gerald Hansen Wildlife Area, 37:53.220 --> 37:57.620 it's kind of north of the Starter E Drive here, 37:57.620 --> 37:59.460 is really not accessible to the public. 37:59.460 --> 38:01.820 Part of our operating agreement with Fish and Game 38:01.820 --> 38:04.740 when that got set up was that we only let in folks 38:04.740 --> 38:07.380 for management purposes or for educational purposes. 38:07.380 --> 38:12.380 So it is accessible, but only with somebody from staff 38:12.380 --> 38:14.300 to go out there to set it up with you. 38:14.300 --> 38:15.780 The Elk River Wildlife Area, 38:15.780 --> 38:18.380 the district has kind of a unique situation. 38:18.380 --> 38:21.420 City of Eureka owns most of Elk River Spit, 38:21.420 --> 38:23.380 but it runs out of city limits about, 38:23.380 --> 38:25.340 I don't know, a few hundred yards 38:25.340 --> 38:27.340 before it actually goes back into shoreline. 38:27.340 --> 38:30.060 So that is actually Harbor District down there. 38:30.060 --> 38:33.180 So we manage that in conjunction with the city's 38:33.180 --> 38:35.180 Elk River Wildlife Area down there. 38:37.260 --> 38:39.300 Shelter Cove Boat Launch Facility. 38:39.300 --> 38:42.180 Just real quickly, this includes the launch ramp down there, 38:42.180 --> 38:45.580 access road, breakwater, and a fish cleaning station. 38:45.580 --> 38:50.020 We've recently acquired a fairly sizable grant. 38:50.020 --> 38:52.580 You can see there $1.7 million from Boating and Waterways 38:52.580 --> 38:55.460 to rebuild that breakwater that you see right here. 38:55.460 --> 38:56.820 Here's the breakwater. 38:56.820 --> 38:58.620 The launch ramp area, of course, is in here. 38:58.620 --> 39:00.580 This is essentially a high tide shot, 39:00.580 --> 39:03.180 and you can see why the breakwater needs to be redone. 39:03.180 --> 39:05.580 This is, I mean, there's not even hardly a swell out there. 39:05.580 --> 39:07.020 It's going right through the breakwater. 39:07.020 --> 39:09.140 So this will be a project that we're hoping 39:09.140 --> 39:12.300 will be in construction this year. 39:12.300 --> 39:14.540 This pipe that runs down here is actually the end 39:14.540 --> 39:16.620 of the fish cleaning station that's a part of it. 39:16.620 --> 39:19.380 This road is access road that's owned by the district. 39:19.380 --> 39:21.540 You can barely see a little bit of something 39:21.540 --> 39:22.980 that doesn't look too natural right here, 39:22.980 --> 39:25.420 although it's brown, and it kind of sort of looks natural. 39:25.420 --> 39:26.620 They tried to make it look natural. 39:26.620 --> 39:29.900 That's some bank stabilization, bluff stabilization, 39:29.900 --> 39:32.500 that the district with Boating and Waterways money 39:32.500 --> 39:36.780 actually did 15, 17 years ago, something like that. 39:36.780 --> 39:39.140 So it's kind of a whole package project. 39:39.140 --> 39:41.820 This is one of these that, of course, is out of Humboldt Bay. 39:41.820 --> 39:42.660 So how do we do that? 39:42.660 --> 39:46.540 Well, like I said, the district owns the road 39:46.540 --> 39:50.300 and this area that's up here and up to the top. 39:50.300 --> 39:53.860 This area out here in the bay is actually a tideland lease 39:53.860 --> 39:56.860 that the district has with State Lands Commission. 39:56.860 --> 40:00.700 So we're in our second 25-year tideland lease 40:00.700 --> 40:03.900 with State Lands Commission for the management 40:03.900 --> 40:05.000 of that facility, too. 40:05.000 --> 40:06.500 This one, if you've been down there familiar with it, 40:06.500 --> 40:08.420 this is an extremely popular place. 40:08.420 --> 40:10.820 This is a lot of people that are in Shelter Cove 40:10.820 --> 40:12.940 because they have access to the ocean. 40:12.940 --> 40:15.300 And this is a lot of their economy. 40:15.300 --> 40:20.500 Exactly, and I think it still is the only open ocean launch 40:20.500 --> 40:24.100 ramp that is in the state. 40:24.100 --> 40:26.260 Cooperative district projects, we've got a few here. 40:26.260 --> 40:28.300 I just want to touch on some other recreational things 40:28.300 --> 40:32.900 that we do that we work with other agencies on. 40:32.900 --> 40:35.460 You heard last time, the Timber Heritage folks, 40:35.460 --> 40:38.380 we work with them on the Roundhouse project out here 40:38.380 --> 40:41.220 that's working toward being a museum complex. 40:41.220 --> 40:44.300 I put it in here for recreation because just at, I think, 40:44.300 --> 40:45.500 our last meeting, wasn't it? 40:45.500 --> 40:49.380 You guys approved an amendment to the agreement 40:49.380 --> 40:51.740 with Timber Heritage so they can actually take folks out there 40:51.740 --> 40:53.020 to actually look at this. 40:53.020 --> 40:56.660 It's not exclusively for storage anymore. 40:56.660 --> 40:59.300 They can actually let the public come out there now. 40:59.300 --> 41:00.780 So that fits recreation. 41:00.780 --> 41:04.740 A bunch of these festivals and educational sort of things, too, 41:04.740 --> 41:05.940 to get people out here. 41:05.940 --> 41:10.420 In 2001, we started what we call the Humble Bay Maritime Expo. 41:10.420 --> 41:13.900 This is the only year that we're not doing it, I hope. 41:13.900 --> 41:17.420 But up till then, we've had it every year in September. 41:17.420 --> 41:20.580 It's really grown in popularity. 41:20.580 --> 41:23.860 We'll get 3,000, 4,000 people out here on a Saturday. 41:23.860 --> 41:25.500 We mix it with Paddlefest 41:25.500 --> 41:27.140 and with the Coast Guard City Celebration. 41:27.140 --> 41:30.500 It turns into a nice, you know, kind of weekend day on the bay, 41:30.500 --> 41:33.180 kind of a celebration. 41:33.180 --> 41:33.900 Works out really good. 41:33.900 --> 41:36.620 A lot of people get out, get to see a whole variety of things 41:36.620 --> 41:39.300 that I don't think they're aware of and turn them 41:39.300 --> 41:42.020 on to some recreational opportunities. 41:42.020 --> 41:45.780 Another thing that we've worked on is Fields Landing launch ramp. 41:45.780 --> 41:49.500 The district actually owns a small piece of property that's just north 41:49.500 --> 41:52.540 of the launch ramp down at Fields Landing. 41:52.540 --> 41:56.620 We've co-sponsored a project with the county of Humble 41:56.620 --> 41:57.940 to do some upgrades to that, 41:57.940 --> 42:00.100 which will actually include paving our little piece. 42:00.100 --> 42:02.380 It'll include paving the whole thing over again. 42:02.380 --> 42:05.700 But right now, ours is unpaved. 42:05.700 --> 42:09.100 Fixing up that whole area down there so that it'll be even better. 42:09.100 --> 42:12.300 The county was ready to go to work on that right, 42:12.300 --> 42:14.940 probably right about now, but they decided to hold off on it 42:14.940 --> 42:17.620 until the salmon season's over, because this is going 42:17.620 --> 42:19.540 to be one popular ramp. 42:19.540 --> 42:21.220 Right now, they didn't want to have a bunch of cones 42:21.220 --> 42:21.940 and things out there. 42:21.940 --> 42:23.660 So the county's got it all spruced up. 42:23.660 --> 42:25.860 It's ready to go for the salmon season. 42:25.860 --> 42:28.340 The other thing that I don't want to touch on too much, 42:28.340 --> 42:30.380 because I know Jen's going to do it, 42:30.380 --> 42:32.220 but our water trail access signage thing. 42:32.220 --> 42:34.060 This is something that the districts worked with, 42:34.060 --> 42:39.540 worked with HSU actually and RCAA mostly for several years 42:39.540 --> 42:42.260 with funding from the California Coastal Conservancy 42:42.260 --> 42:45.740 to put together water trail network signage, 42:45.740 --> 42:47.580 go through some of the design features 42:47.580 --> 42:49.460 that I'm sure Jen's going to mention. 42:49.460 --> 42:53.460 So that's kind of a smattering of what the district, 42:53.460 --> 42:55.660 what we oversee and what we do. 42:55.660 --> 43:04.020 Dave, for Dave. 43:04.020 --> 43:05.900 Regarding the map that you showed 43:05.900 --> 43:08.340 with the water usage designations that have been 43:08.340 --> 43:11.220 adopted by the Harbor District, the biggest portions 43:11.220 --> 43:14.380 were harbor and conservation. 43:14.380 --> 43:18.500 Small portions actually designated for recreation. 43:18.500 --> 43:23.340 Is there recreation restrictions on those designated portions 43:23.340 --> 43:23.940 of the bay? 43:23.940 --> 43:26.820 And is it fair to say that the entire bay is 43:26.820 --> 43:28.220 available for recreation? 43:28.220 --> 43:29.460 The entire bay is. 43:29.460 --> 43:32.020 Yeah, it's a little confusing the way that graphic turned out. 43:32.020 --> 43:35.380 But the whole bay is available for recreation. 43:35.380 --> 43:37.300 The pieces that are highlighted as recreation, 43:37.300 --> 43:39.780 those little thin red things you can barely see, 43:39.780 --> 43:42.460 are only the areas that are almost exclusively 43:42.460 --> 43:43.580 already in recreation. 43:43.580 --> 43:44.820 There are launch ramps and there are 43:44.820 --> 43:46.020 things like this that are already 43:46.020 --> 43:49.300 in some recreational use that probably won't change. 43:49.300 --> 43:51.180 But yeah, recreation is something 43:51.180 --> 43:53.740 that happens across the entire bay. 43:53.740 --> 43:54.940 Depends on the tide. 43:54.940 --> 43:56.620 Yeah. 43:56.620 --> 43:58.580 How long you want to be out there? 43:58.580 --> 44:01.100 Do you see a need or have you had a request 44:01.100 --> 44:06.900 to expand those red areas in the last couple of years 44:06.900 --> 44:10.300 for recreational purposes? 44:10.300 --> 44:12.500 I'm going to go back to a statement I made about us 44:12.500 --> 44:14.100 being a reactive sort of a group. 44:14.100 --> 44:16.540 I think that's part of exactly what we're doing here 44:16.540 --> 44:19.660 through this series of these workshops, 44:19.660 --> 44:23.620 is to get the information that we can then go back to the well 44:23.620 --> 44:25.820 and decide if there's some things we need to do. 44:25.820 --> 44:28.940 Clearly, the things that Tim mentioned 44:28.940 --> 44:31.980 about the launch ramp improvements 44:31.980 --> 44:33.420 are something that's necessary. 44:33.420 --> 44:34.980 I know the city of Eureka is looking 44:34.980 --> 44:39.940 at adding an additional ramp on one of their piece of property. 44:39.940 --> 44:44.100 So we're kind of doing those as they float up to the top. 44:44.100 --> 44:45.980 But I guess the short answer is we don't really 44:45.980 --> 44:49.060 have a recreational plan right now. 44:51.820 --> 44:52.980 In the back here? 44:52.980 --> 44:53.980 Tim. 44:53.980 --> 44:56.060 In the day you mentioned on Talk Shop 44:56.060 --> 45:01.540 that you had a multi-agency meeting regarding the same season. 45:01.540 --> 45:03.980 Jim, I mean, Tim brought up something 45:03.980 --> 45:06.620 that has given heat to the district 45:06.620 --> 45:11.260 before the locked toilet facilities at the ramps. 45:11.260 --> 45:13.860 Some really nasty letters he added. 45:13.860 --> 45:15.700 During your meeting with the other agencies, 45:15.700 --> 45:18.420 did the city of Eureka come forward and volunteer 45:18.420 --> 45:20.540 to have additional portable toilets and things 45:20.540 --> 45:22.540 like that to protect water quality? 45:22.540 --> 45:26.500 They're working on it. 45:26.500 --> 45:28.300 They didn't say they were going to do it. 45:28.300 --> 45:33.780 But they certainly heard from the group that that was a need. 45:33.780 --> 45:36.820 As Tim mentioned, and as you know, a lot of you know, 45:36.820 --> 45:38.820 they can turn out to be just an incredible mess 45:38.820 --> 45:41.820 and in some cases kind of a safety issue. 45:41.820 --> 45:46.500 So we discussed things about maybe the volunteer police 45:46.500 --> 45:48.700 doing some stints down there overnight just 45:48.700 --> 45:50.220 to make sure those things stayed open. 45:50.220 --> 45:53.020 Because like Tim said, if they were open at 4 in the morning, 45:53.020 --> 45:53.580 it'd be nice. 45:53.580 --> 45:55.340 8 in the morning is way too late. 45:55.340 --> 45:59.140 So if there was somebody that could watch over these things, 45:59.140 --> 46:02.740 if they could temporarily do something to staff them up 46:02.740 --> 46:05.140 and keep them clean during the 10 day season, 46:05.140 --> 46:07.220 the whole group really encouraged the city of Eureka 46:07.220 --> 46:07.740 to do that. 46:07.740 --> 46:09.020 So they took that message back. 46:09.020 --> 46:11.180 So I got to think they're aware of it 46:11.180 --> 46:13.540 and they're going to try to work it out. 46:13.540 --> 46:15.020 Thank you. 46:15.020 --> 46:15.620 All righty. 46:15.620 --> 46:16.300 Thank you, Dave. 46:16.300 --> 46:19.540 That was informative. 46:19.540 --> 46:20.580 OK, Mike, go ahead. 46:20.580 --> 46:22.460 Quick question just to clarify. 46:22.460 --> 46:24.540 Actually, two of them slipped a second one. 46:24.540 --> 46:28.900 First one is your slip rentals, what percentage on a year 46:28.900 --> 46:30.500 basis are they occupied? 46:30.500 --> 46:34.260 Are you at limit or do you have facilities? 46:34.260 --> 46:35.820 Well, that's an interesting question. 46:35.820 --> 46:38.540 We spent a lot of time at that this question. 46:38.540 --> 46:45.740 We have 12,400 linear feet of mooring space out here. 46:45.740 --> 46:47.460 Probably a little more than 1,000 of it 46:47.460 --> 46:50.540 is something that's really you'd characterize as not rentable 46:50.540 --> 46:53.300 or not really supposed to be rentable. 46:53.300 --> 46:55.220 We have always, for budget purposes, 46:55.220 --> 46:58.780 we've looked at an 80% occupancy just so we don't, 46:58.780 --> 47:01.220 I mean, we could plan on 100% occupancy, 47:01.220 --> 47:03.340 but then we'd be disappointed some years. 47:03.340 --> 47:08.180 So we did right toward the end of our budget session, 47:08.180 --> 47:13.420 we went back and did a full analysis of it 47:13.420 --> 47:17.140 and we were at about, what was it again, 92%? 47:17.140 --> 47:17.980 It was over dining. 47:17.980 --> 47:18.940 Yeah. 47:18.940 --> 47:22.300 So that's, and I think that's probably pretty typical. 47:22.300 --> 47:26.900 Even though we budgeted 80%, that doesn't mean we're keeping 47:26.900 --> 47:28.580 20% of the slips open. 47:28.580 --> 47:31.140 It doesn't mean we're not renting 20% of the slips. 47:31.140 --> 47:33.380 That just means that's a conservative figure for us 47:33.380 --> 47:35.380 to work on financial stuff. 47:35.380 --> 47:39.100 And sorry, but it's important to me. 47:39.100 --> 47:41.180 Just to build clarity on those recreation areas 47:41.180 --> 47:47.500 on the Eureka side, the logic facility for the HSU rowing 47:47.500 --> 47:56.580 team, the panel associations, floating dock. 47:56.580 --> 47:58.780 Are those constructed by the Harbor District 47:58.780 --> 48:00.540 or are they maintained by, or is it just 48:00.540 --> 48:02.020 that they're in your inflow? 48:02.020 --> 48:03.140 They're just in our inflow. 48:03.140 --> 48:04.620 Yeah, in that section of my talk, 48:04.620 --> 48:06.700 I was just kind of doing an inventory of everything 48:06.700 --> 48:07.540 that's out there. 48:07.540 --> 48:11.580 They're actually city facilities. 48:11.580 --> 48:12.500 OK, great. 48:12.500 --> 48:13.340 Thank you very much. 48:13.340 --> 48:14.820 Those two. 48:14.820 --> 48:15.820 Thank you, Mike. 48:15.820 --> 48:18.100 Thank you, Dave. 48:18.100 --> 48:23.460 Jim Clark is a longtime member of the Audubon Society. 48:23.460 --> 48:28.140 And there are millions of birdwatchers in the nation. 48:28.140 --> 48:32.940 And I'm very pleased to introduce Jim. 48:32.940 --> 48:35.660 Interestingly, the Audubon birdwatchers 48:35.660 --> 48:40.780 are such astute observers and take such clear notes 48:40.780 --> 48:43.220 that they actually have databases that 48:43.220 --> 48:45.900 indicate bird migrations and their changes 48:45.900 --> 48:50.500 over the last 50 years based just on Audubon volunteers. 48:50.500 --> 48:53.460 And there's thousands of records that are trustable. 48:53.460 --> 48:56.420 They give trustable trend data over time. 48:56.420 --> 48:57.820 And it's getting better. 48:57.820 --> 48:58.620 And they spend money. 48:58.620 --> 48:59.180 More later. 48:59.180 --> 49:01.860 Stay tuned. 49:01.860 --> 49:03.860 You just might find that elusive species 49:03.860 --> 49:06.300 in an unexpected place. 49:06.300 --> 49:09.980 Here are some of the best and least known birding sites 49:09.980 --> 49:11.380 around. 49:11.380 --> 49:13.460 That's an introduction to an article called Birding 49:13.460 --> 49:19.620 in a Wasteland in Audubon Magazine in April, March, 2007. 49:19.620 --> 49:24.140 And in that article are several places 49:24.140 --> 49:25.940 where there are solutions. 49:25.940 --> 49:28.260 And among them, and probably the biggest article, 49:28.260 --> 49:31.340 is one by Sharon Levy of Arcata on the Arcata Marsh and Wildlife 49:31.340 --> 49:32.900 Sanctuary. 49:32.900 --> 49:35.540 So folks, we're on the map for birders. 49:35.540 --> 49:36.940 Big time. 49:36.940 --> 49:38.900 This is a place to come. 49:38.900 --> 49:41.100 Arcata has Godwood days. 49:41.100 --> 49:44.460 Usually brings in 150 to 200 people from out of the area. 49:47.580 --> 49:53.900 And we've got about 251 species, give or take a few, 49:53.900 --> 49:55.580 in and around Humboldt Bay, depending 49:55.580 --> 49:56.780 on where you draw the line. 50:00.020 --> 50:01.700 Birding is big business. 50:01.700 --> 50:04.620 I ran across this Florida site. 50:04.620 --> 50:10.540 And a 2006 report says that the 1993, 50:10.540 --> 50:13.300 1994 study found that birding in the Corpus 50:13.300 --> 50:14.420 Cruz Swamp Sanctuary. 50:14.420 --> 50:16.500 Anybody been there? 50:16.500 --> 50:17.780 Come on. 50:17.780 --> 50:20.180 This is the big woodpecker, isn't it? 50:20.180 --> 50:22.340 No, not quite. 50:22.340 --> 50:27.740 It's the Everglades kite that eats snails, 50:27.740 --> 50:30.500 is an endangered species that lives there. 50:30.500 --> 50:32.660 It's not a huge refuge. 50:32.660 --> 50:33.660 It's quite popular. 50:33.660 --> 50:36.580 It's an Audubon refuge. 50:36.580 --> 50:40.140 But at that time, it contributed 9.4 million 50:40.140 --> 50:43.540 to the local communities. 50:43.540 --> 50:44.620 That's significant. 50:44.620 --> 50:45.580 I've been there. 50:45.580 --> 50:46.180 I didn't realize it was a place. 50:46.180 --> 50:46.860 Oh, thank you. 50:46.860 --> 50:47.620 Thank you for that. 50:47.620 --> 50:48.580 The name of it was. 50:48.580 --> 50:49.380 It's a great place. 50:49.380 --> 50:52.060 You look at alligators, it's just as much fun as the birds. 50:52.060 --> 50:52.980 It's an easy access, too. 50:52.980 --> 50:56.340 Other birders might disagree with me. 50:56.340 --> 50:58.860 So in Florida, it's the second in the nation 50:58.860 --> 51:02.820 of states that have money for birding. 51:02.820 --> 51:05.060 Number one is California. 51:05.060 --> 51:07.740 So we're a state that's on the map as well. 51:10.820 --> 51:13.340 I ran across some figures that slightly conflicted 51:13.340 --> 51:17.380 with the figures on fishing. 51:17.380 --> 51:20.380 But I think it's because of different ways 51:20.380 --> 51:21.980 to look at income generated. 51:21.980 --> 51:24.620 This is money spent. 51:24.620 --> 51:29.180 And this is done by US Fish and Wildlife Service 51:29.180 --> 51:32.740 in conjunction with the Census Bureau. 51:32.740 --> 51:35.340 And it's for 2006. 51:35.340 --> 51:39.980 And it says here, let's go for non-residents. 51:39.980 --> 51:42.500 Because even though the Bay is going 51:42.500 --> 51:46.820 to attract people birding from within the state, 51:46.820 --> 51:49.620 as far as we're concerned, they're non-residents. 51:49.620 --> 51:55.460 So a person coming from San Francisco, LA, the Valley, 51:55.460 --> 51:57.540 even though they're in the state, 51:57.540 --> 51:59.860 they spend here like a non-resident. 51:59.860 --> 52:03.660 That is my assumption. 52:03.660 --> 52:08.580 So compared to hunting, hunting is not even on the chart. 52:08.580 --> 52:14.100 There's so little income spent that it doesn't matter. 52:14.100 --> 52:16.860 For total expenditures on fishing, 52:16.860 --> 52:22.140 it's $166,205,000. 52:22.140 --> 52:34.580 Wildlife watching is total expenditures of $585,000,000. 52:34.580 --> 52:37.660 And the average expenditure for a day is $140,000, 52:37.660 --> 52:41.580 which when I think of Godwood days 52:41.580 --> 52:44.740 and coming here paying the registration 52:44.740 --> 52:48.260 and staying somewhere for two or three days, 52:48.260 --> 52:50.340 that seems kind of low to me. 52:50.340 --> 52:54.900 But I'm trying to give you an idea of the market here. 52:54.900 --> 53:00.220 Godwood days is essentially a three-day event. 53:00.220 --> 53:02.460 It draws birders from all of the United States 53:02.460 --> 53:05.420 and foreign countries. 53:05.420 --> 53:08.820 The rest of the time, you don't have anything. 53:08.820 --> 53:10.460 And the best time for bird watching here 53:10.460 --> 53:13.300 is in the dead of winter, when the other terrorists have gone. 53:13.300 --> 53:16.740 Only the crazy birders are out there looking for, 53:16.740 --> 53:18.820 in a flock of 500,000 shorebirds, 53:18.820 --> 53:20.620 they're looking for that one shorebird that 53:20.620 --> 53:22.620 stands out as a rarity. 53:22.620 --> 53:25.340 And they're hugely connected by the internet. 53:25.340 --> 53:30.340 So when a rarity occurs, people just show up. 53:30.340 --> 53:32.860 I don't know how they get flight reservations that fast. 53:32.860 --> 53:37.180 We had a green shank, and people were bonkers over that, 53:37.180 --> 53:40.900 up at the mouth of the Madden River a few years ago. 53:40.900 --> 53:43.620 So it's a big deal. 53:43.620 --> 53:47.300 But you need some things, definitely. 53:47.300 --> 53:51.220 And that's access and habitat. 53:51.220 --> 53:53.780 And right now, we're increasing our habitat. 53:53.780 --> 53:57.860 You all heard about the Eureka Slough Freshwater Creek 53:57.860 --> 53:59.220 restoration. 53:59.220 --> 54:03.940 We're making a refugia, basically, for fish. 54:03.940 --> 54:06.700 There's going to be birds there, too, folks. 54:06.700 --> 54:09.580 It's going to be a refugia for shorebirds. 54:09.580 --> 54:12.300 It's going to be a feeding site for osprey and bald eagle, 54:12.300 --> 54:13.180 as well. 54:13.180 --> 54:16.180 We have bald eagles cruising along the bay right now. 54:16.180 --> 54:18.500 It's an impressive sight. 54:18.500 --> 54:21.660 Hardened birders sometimes not think of bald eagles 54:21.660 --> 54:23.300 as trash birds. 54:23.300 --> 54:27.020 But the new birder, people from the city that 54:27.020 --> 54:29.500 are coming up to look at wildlife, 54:29.500 --> 54:31.620 are going to be blown away. 54:31.620 --> 54:32.860 I'm still blown away. 54:32.860 --> 54:35.980 When I see a bald eagle cruising over 50 feet over my head, 54:35.980 --> 54:38.860 it's fairly impressive. 54:38.860 --> 54:43.540 I've seen birds out in that wildlife area that usually only 54:43.540 --> 54:45.420 show up in the valley. 54:45.420 --> 54:46.700 So there are rarities here. 54:46.700 --> 54:49.340 There's big attraction. 54:49.340 --> 54:53.420 So we're getting more habitat around the bay 54:53.420 --> 54:55.940 for a wider variety of birds. 54:55.940 --> 54:58.060 We also have associations. 54:58.060 --> 55:00.980 We've got our local Audubon Society. 55:00.980 --> 55:03.940 We probably, I calculated at one time, 55:03.940 --> 55:11.740 well over 1,000 person hours a year in guided field trips, 55:11.740 --> 55:14.380 just on the bay, not including the ones that go off 55:14.380 --> 55:18.700 to the desert or up in the mountains. 55:18.700 --> 55:20.660 Which brings me to the other segment of birding 55:20.660 --> 55:27.820 is that the bay is one basic coastal habitat. 55:27.820 --> 55:32.460 And the other part of it is the surrounding area, 55:32.460 --> 55:36.740 the Clamaciscio bioregion, which is also hot. 55:36.740 --> 55:40.580 It's a hot birding area generally. 55:40.580 --> 55:44.220 And linking with those, and I'm right now 55:44.220 --> 55:47.860 doing a project, an independent study for ecotourism 55:47.860 --> 55:50.940 certificate, talking to people in the area. 55:50.940 --> 55:53.660 And everybody's charged up about ecotourism. 55:53.660 --> 55:56.100 They have their websites and they have their ideas. 55:56.100 --> 55:59.820 But there doesn't seem to be a lot of connecting of the dots. 55:59.820 --> 56:03.260 And I think the harbor is a very important dot that 56:03.260 --> 56:06.700 needs to go maybe a little bit beyond its jurisdiction here 56:06.700 --> 56:12.060 into its areas of influence and connect with those other dots. 56:12.060 --> 56:13.900 And I think there's going to be more 56:13.900 --> 56:15.980 in the line of ecotourism here. 56:15.980 --> 56:19.900 People being aware of what can happen. 56:19.900 --> 56:23.500 And I think it's not just coming to look at birds, 56:23.500 --> 56:28.780 but birders I think are tending to be less of collectors, 56:28.780 --> 56:31.140 meaning writing them down on a list 56:31.140 --> 56:33.540 and then saying, I got that one. 56:33.540 --> 56:37.700 But more interested in citizen science. 56:37.700 --> 56:40.380 As Patrick said, we've been doing bird counts for actually 56:40.380 --> 56:42.140 100 years. 56:42.140 --> 56:45.020 Recently there's a thing called eBird. 56:45.020 --> 56:50.340 It's out of Cornell and there is a Clamac area eBird 56:50.340 --> 56:55.740 that we use that anybody can sign up, go out birding, 56:55.740 --> 56:59.580 and put them on a national list, a database. 56:59.580 --> 57:02.460 This contributes hugely to science. 57:02.460 --> 57:04.020 You can actually put in GPS coordinates. 57:04.020 --> 57:06.580 It's getting very high tech. 57:06.580 --> 57:11.620 So you can go out and bird, say where you found the bird, 57:11.620 --> 57:13.580 locate it on the map, and it shows up. 57:13.580 --> 57:14.340 It goes back. 57:14.340 --> 57:16.220 It gets vetted. 57:16.220 --> 57:24.260 If you saw a Mexican whipper whale out on the mud flats, 57:24.260 --> 57:25.900 you can call that in. 57:25.900 --> 57:27.860 Someone will look at that and go, right. 57:31.100 --> 57:32.540 When you go in to look at the database, 57:32.540 --> 57:35.220 it'll still be there, but no one else will see it. 57:35.220 --> 57:41.060 So it's a controlled database that's vetted by experts. 57:41.060 --> 57:46.740 And it helps to build that veracity. 57:46.740 --> 57:48.940 People can go online, which they do now to bird, 57:48.940 --> 57:51.020 and they can see what's out there. 57:51.020 --> 57:56.620 So I would say that you need to consider birders very seriously 57:56.620 --> 58:02.940 because largely they're boomers, but we have younger groups 58:02.940 --> 58:05.100 coming up that are very interested. 58:05.100 --> 58:09.620 They're usually fairly affluent, and they need a place to stay. 58:09.620 --> 58:11.420 They need a way to get to the birds 58:11.420 --> 58:14.140 and need habitats for the birds. 58:14.140 --> 58:16.940 So that's my spiel. 58:16.940 --> 58:26.460 Are a great many of the folks who come, or at least some of them, 58:26.460 --> 58:31.020 European or from around the world, or is this really, 58:31.020 --> 58:33.660 it's the word watching phenomenon, more kind 58:33.660 --> 58:35.900 of a domestic product? 58:35.900 --> 58:39.740 It's domestic, and I say it probably starts local, 58:39.740 --> 58:41.820 and it tapers off worldwide. 58:41.820 --> 58:46.860 We have people from Japan all over the world, but not a lot. 58:46.860 --> 58:48.260 They're not as passionate. 58:48.260 --> 58:50.780 This is something that's a phenomenon in our culture. 58:50.780 --> 58:52.860 No, they are as passionate. 58:52.860 --> 58:56.060 In fact, the person that invented 58:56.060 --> 59:01.820 digiscoping for birding is from Malaysia. 59:01.820 --> 59:04.980 So there are bird watchers all over the world. 59:04.980 --> 59:06.340 It's not just a local phenomenon. 59:06.340 --> 59:10.700 It's just that we've got to draw them in from further away. 59:10.700 --> 59:11.700 That's the way I see it. 59:11.700 --> 59:14.820 We've got to strut our stuff. 59:14.820 --> 59:16.620 And we have a lot of stuff. 59:16.620 --> 59:22.460 And the other aspect of this is the seasonality here. 59:22.460 --> 59:24.140 I think I mentioned this before. 59:24.140 --> 59:26.980 We think of summer as our tourist season, 59:26.980 --> 59:32.500 when in fact summer on the Bay, as far as birds goes, why bother? 59:32.500 --> 59:35.340 You can go anywhere around away from the Bay 59:35.340 --> 59:38.420 and see songbirds, upland birds, but you're not 59:38.420 --> 59:40.340 going to see much of them as shorebirds. 59:40.340 --> 59:44.780 But when you have birds here in the fall, winter, and spring, 59:44.780 --> 59:47.740 it seems like that's a good potential offset 59:47.740 --> 59:50.300 to keep that tourist industry going. 59:50.300 --> 59:51.420 Hawk? 59:51.420 --> 59:53.540 I just want to tie into a little bit. 59:53.540 --> 59:55.420 I have Humboldt's Kayak Adventures. 59:55.420 --> 59:59.380 And I'd say $20,000 to $30,000 of our annual income 59:59.380 --> 01:00:02.100 is birders coming to the area. 01:00:02.100 --> 01:00:04.580 There's really no better way to go and see birds quietly 01:00:04.580 --> 01:00:05.980 than by a kayak. 01:00:05.980 --> 01:00:08.860 And I'd have to disagree that the summertime is a great time 01:00:08.860 --> 01:00:11.300 to go and see birds, because I mentioned 01:00:11.300 --> 01:00:14.980 Bald Eagle on the phone at the Egret Rookery signed me up. 01:00:14.980 --> 01:00:15.900 And they come see it. 01:00:15.900 --> 01:00:20.060 They're not the sophisticated birders, but we do e-birding. 01:00:20.060 --> 01:00:22.540 Everybody that comes to Humboldt's, 01:00:22.540 --> 01:00:23.660 they get the e-bird list. 01:00:23.660 --> 01:00:24.540 You can check it off. 01:00:24.540 --> 01:00:26.060 And a lot of people are new to it. 01:00:26.060 --> 01:00:28.220 If you've never birded before, we still 01:00:28.220 --> 01:00:29.780 expose them to e-birding. 01:00:29.780 --> 01:00:31.540 And people really get a kick out of that. 01:00:31.540 --> 01:00:33.340 And they want to come back the next year just to see 01:00:33.340 --> 01:00:34.980 if that same bird is there. 01:00:34.980 --> 01:00:39.860 We've had two, three time participants on our tours 01:00:39.860 --> 01:00:42.340 coming just to check on the birds they've seen. 01:00:42.340 --> 01:00:45.460 Little kids to older folks. 01:00:45.460 --> 01:00:48.220 And having access sites so that they can get out and see 01:00:48.220 --> 01:00:50.220 all of these really makes it possible 01:00:50.220 --> 01:00:52.020 until the Hoekton Slough. 01:00:52.020 --> 01:00:54.460 We do have a lot of shorebirds throughout the year. 01:00:54.460 --> 01:00:56.460 We do a lot of tours into Trinidad Bay 01:00:56.460 --> 01:00:59.460 to see the birds that are out on the rocks that you can really 01:00:59.460 --> 01:01:01.660 only get to if you get out there and see them. 01:01:01.660 --> 01:01:03.700 Of course, birders have high power scopes. 01:01:03.700 --> 01:01:05.100 But there's really nothing better 01:01:05.100 --> 01:01:07.140 than just kicking back in your kayak 01:01:07.140 --> 01:01:09.940 and watching the bird walking along the shore. 01:01:09.940 --> 01:01:11.500 And oh, that's a long-billed curlew. 01:01:11.500 --> 01:01:12.420 Oh, that's a godwit. 01:01:12.420 --> 01:01:15.260 Oh, that's a belted kingfisher. 01:01:15.260 --> 01:01:17.100 And really, people get a kick out of it. 01:01:17.100 --> 01:01:19.620 And they fall in love with this area because of our birds. 01:01:19.620 --> 01:01:20.860 So true. 01:01:20.860 --> 01:01:21.580 And I did. 01:01:21.580 --> 01:01:23.060 I'm jaded. 01:01:23.060 --> 01:01:27.980 I am jaded about saying how. 01:01:27.980 --> 01:01:28.780 Go ahead. 01:01:28.780 --> 01:01:30.740 Just short of Larry. 01:01:30.740 --> 01:01:32.220 Great. 01:01:32.220 --> 01:01:32.900 Marketing. 01:01:32.900 --> 01:01:35.260 What are you doing? 01:01:35.260 --> 01:01:37.060 Sounds fabulous. 01:01:37.060 --> 01:01:40.340 No impact on the environment. 01:01:40.340 --> 01:01:41.620 They've got money to spend. 01:01:41.620 --> 01:01:42.780 How are we getting them here? 01:01:42.780 --> 01:01:44.620 And what can we do to get more? 01:01:44.620 --> 01:01:47.620 I'm working on that. 01:01:47.620 --> 01:01:50.860 I'm looking at ecotourism in the whole region. 01:01:50.860 --> 01:01:54.420 And like I said, I've seen people so interested 01:01:54.420 --> 01:01:57.020 that they haven't really got off the dime. 01:01:57.020 --> 01:01:59.260 I had one operator of a biodynamic winery 01:01:59.260 --> 01:02:03.340 after giving me a complete tour and talking about ecotourism. 01:02:03.340 --> 01:02:08.500 And he said, so when are you going to start? 01:02:08.500 --> 01:02:10.580 So people are eager to start, but there 01:02:10.580 --> 01:02:13.700 doesn't seem to be that impetus. 01:02:13.700 --> 01:02:16.100 And I've looked at our own visitor's bureau, 01:02:16.100 --> 01:02:19.540 and we've had conferences and discussions. 01:02:19.540 --> 01:02:26.100 And it needs to go to the next phase of doing it. 01:02:26.100 --> 01:02:29.620 Oh, when we're trying to get there in our closing meetings, 01:02:29.620 --> 01:02:31.140 we'll call you back. 01:02:31.140 --> 01:02:32.620 Larry. 01:02:32.620 --> 01:02:35.900 I have two hard little things here. 01:02:35.900 --> 01:02:38.580 The first place is that I was following up 01:02:38.580 --> 01:02:41.100 with a little bit with David said. 01:02:41.100 --> 01:02:43.300 Tony Smithers was here from the Humboldt County Conventures 01:02:43.300 --> 01:02:44.900 and Visitors Bureau, and was really 01:02:44.900 --> 01:02:47.700 talking about how we market ourselves 01:02:47.700 --> 01:02:50.460 to the outside world of why people come in here. 01:02:50.460 --> 01:02:53.660 And I look at this, and the bay wasn't one of the things 01:02:53.660 --> 01:02:55.420 that we even market. 01:02:55.420 --> 01:02:58.260 As far as this goes, and there's the birding, and the kayaks, 01:02:58.260 --> 01:02:59.820 and the fishing, and all this other stuff. 01:02:59.820 --> 01:03:00.340 That looks big. 01:03:00.340 --> 01:03:01.540 Yeah. 01:03:01.540 --> 01:03:03.820 But it doesn't seem like we market 01:03:03.820 --> 01:03:05.220 these secondary things as much. 01:03:05.220 --> 01:03:06.900 I mean, the redwoods, that's where they come. 01:03:06.900 --> 01:03:08.380 That's what it is. 01:03:08.380 --> 01:03:10.220 But there's also all these secondary things, 01:03:10.220 --> 01:03:12.900 and it seems like we need to do a better job regionally 01:03:12.900 --> 01:03:16.380 at marketing some of these secondary tourism features. 01:03:16.380 --> 01:03:18.700 But then what you were saying is you have to get access 01:03:18.700 --> 01:03:20.340 to these areas. 01:03:20.340 --> 01:03:22.740 If you get the birders here, you have to have the access. 01:03:22.740 --> 01:03:26.740 And one of the trends that I am seeing a little bit, 01:03:26.740 --> 01:03:29.060 and Dave had touched on this, but the wildlife area here, 01:03:29.060 --> 01:03:30.780 that you can't go in. 01:03:30.780 --> 01:03:33.500 And so you acquire some of these properties, 01:03:33.500 --> 01:03:36.100 and some of the agencies, and they put restrictions that 01:03:36.100 --> 01:03:37.580 basically say nobody can go in there. 01:03:37.580 --> 01:03:39.780 This is for the birds, and you can't go in. 01:03:39.780 --> 01:03:42.620 And so then, which is good, but I mean, 01:03:42.620 --> 01:03:45.260 there's some kinds of access areas 01:03:45.260 --> 01:03:46.740 that you may have to get into. 01:03:46.740 --> 01:03:48.500 What's your thought process on that, 01:03:48.500 --> 01:03:51.180 and how can we kind of encourage with guided walks 01:03:51.180 --> 01:03:54.380 or other kinds of things to be able to get people access 01:03:54.380 --> 01:03:56.460 into some of these areas? 01:03:56.460 --> 01:03:59.140 So as we're restoring them, we're not just closing them 01:03:59.140 --> 01:03:59.620 off. 01:03:59.620 --> 01:04:01.140 We've already got it. 01:04:01.140 --> 01:04:04.980 And it's free with the nonprofits. 01:04:04.980 --> 01:04:09.420 Native Plant Society, Sierra Club, Audubon Society. 01:04:09.420 --> 01:04:11.740 We've got the connections, and we go on those tours. 01:04:11.740 --> 01:04:14.020 We get the permission from Calafission Game or whoever 01:04:14.020 --> 01:04:17.660 it takes to do a special tour. 01:04:17.660 --> 01:04:21.100 And that's a hookup there that's great. 01:04:21.100 --> 01:04:25.660 And we publish our schedule of field trips. 01:04:25.660 --> 01:04:28.020 And we like to report back to national. 01:04:28.020 --> 01:04:31.820 We're doing a whole lot of good stuff. 01:04:31.820 --> 01:04:34.180 We are, but we're amazing compared 01:04:34.180 --> 01:04:36.380 to other chapters with major cities. 01:04:36.380 --> 01:04:39.500 We compare with Bay Area chapters 01:04:39.500 --> 01:04:41.060 as far as our field trips go. 01:04:41.060 --> 01:04:44.140 Well, you know, remember Tony Smithers Maxim? 01:04:44.140 --> 01:04:46.540 He goes, give me something else, and I can promote it. 01:04:46.540 --> 01:04:48.420 So we've got to call this the Tony's attention, 01:04:48.420 --> 01:04:51.100 because I think, yeah, this is a lot of bodies. 01:04:51.100 --> 01:04:52.980 It's a lot of people that are passionate. 01:04:52.980 --> 01:04:54.420 Mike, you wanted to contribute something? 01:04:54.420 --> 01:04:55.220 No, I'm fine. 01:04:55.220 --> 01:04:55.820 All right. 01:04:55.820 --> 01:04:57.300 Mike Wilson was able to join us. 01:04:57.300 --> 01:04:59.220 Pete, you've got the last question here. 01:04:59.220 --> 01:05:06.420 I need to correct that statement on the tourist 01:05:06.420 --> 01:05:07.300 bureau. 01:05:07.300 --> 01:05:09.740 As the chair of the marketing committee, 01:05:09.740 --> 01:05:14.180 I can say we have tried marketing, 01:05:14.180 --> 01:05:18.020 birding, and tried marketing, whale watching, 01:05:18.020 --> 01:05:19.580 a number of ways to do it. 01:05:19.580 --> 01:05:23.580 We link to other websites, cross-link. 01:05:23.580 --> 01:05:29.780 And we've used keywords on Google type things. 01:05:29.780 --> 01:05:36.020 No matter what we do, there's one king, the redwoods. 01:05:36.020 --> 01:05:39.260 It is by far the biggest hit. 01:05:39.260 --> 01:05:42.660 And we market for our members. 01:05:42.660 --> 01:05:46.180 And if there's members that want to run with something, too, 01:05:46.180 --> 01:05:47.460 we'll work with them. 01:05:47.460 --> 01:05:48.980 So it isn't that we haven't tried. 01:05:48.980 --> 01:05:57.060 We haven't had all sides of the equation come to the table, 01:05:57.060 --> 01:06:01.420 the people that want to harvest that clientele 01:06:01.420 --> 01:06:06.140 and the cohesive wherewithal to do that. 01:06:06.140 --> 01:06:07.300 But we will do that. 01:06:07.300 --> 01:06:08.460 And we have tried it. 01:06:08.460 --> 01:06:10.940 It just has not been very effective. 01:06:10.940 --> 01:06:13.300 Well, and it's kind of reciprocal, too. 01:06:13.300 --> 01:06:16.540 And Chip's talking about the fact that the wildlife 01:06:16.540 --> 01:06:18.500 refuges have expanded. 01:06:18.500 --> 01:06:22.180 And certainly, hubboats and the infrastructure 01:06:22.180 --> 01:06:25.060 that we're adding and additional boat ramps, now the water 01:06:25.060 --> 01:06:25.560 trail. 01:06:25.560 --> 01:06:28.260 So it's increasingly there to promote, 01:06:28.260 --> 01:06:31.220 because we've essentially gotten the infrastructure 01:06:31.220 --> 01:06:32.220 to where it's mature. 01:06:32.220 --> 01:06:35.540 And if you just send somebody out to the mud, 01:06:35.540 --> 01:06:36.700 that's a different deal. 01:06:36.700 --> 01:06:41.060 So I think we're moving in the right direction. 01:06:41.060 --> 01:06:42.020 And there is a synergy. 01:06:42.020 --> 01:06:45.620 The more you develop it, then the more legitimate 01:06:45.620 --> 01:06:46.500 it is to promote it. 01:06:46.500 --> 01:06:48.100 And the people get the good experience. 01:06:48.100 --> 01:06:49.420 They come back. 01:06:49.420 --> 01:06:52.580 And I'm going to relet and give one more last question. 01:06:52.580 --> 01:06:53.180 Thanks, Pat. 01:06:53.180 --> 01:06:57.700 Jim, doesn't the wildlife refuge in South Bay 01:06:57.700 --> 01:06:59.700 serve as a huge draw to the area? 01:06:59.700 --> 01:07:00.180 It does. 01:07:00.180 --> 01:07:08.740 And as a connectivity to other people, other destinations, 01:07:08.740 --> 01:07:11.700 couldn't they serve a more important role, 01:07:11.700 --> 01:07:15.140 or are they pretty much doing what they can? 01:07:15.140 --> 01:07:18.820 They're fairly focused in their mission. 01:07:18.820 --> 01:07:22.220 So they're part of the picture as I see it, part of the draw. 01:07:24.780 --> 01:07:33.220 And I'm thinking of a nature tourism website that has at least 01:07:33.220 --> 01:07:36.180 endorsed things to do. 01:07:36.180 --> 01:07:37.940 There's a lot of greenwashing going on 01:07:37.940 --> 01:07:40.140 that needs to be avoided. 01:07:40.140 --> 01:07:45.180 Stuff is ECO-This and Green That that is just a tour. 01:07:45.180 --> 01:07:47.140 But there are also some legitimate things. 01:07:47.140 --> 01:07:54.180 And obviously, National Wildlife Refuge is on the list. 01:07:54.180 --> 01:07:58.540 The state wildlife management areas, when they're open 01:07:58.540 --> 01:08:01.260 and what you can see are on the list. 01:08:01.260 --> 01:08:04.340 Redwood Region Audubon Society field trips, 01:08:04.340 --> 01:08:05.580 that type of thing. 01:08:05.580 --> 01:08:13.220 So I see it as they can't really market other things. 01:08:13.220 --> 01:08:14.900 I'll tell you what I've thought of. 01:08:14.900 --> 01:08:16.860 And that is, if you had a kiosk there, 01:08:16.860 --> 01:08:18.660 they have these things in British Columbia. 01:08:18.660 --> 01:08:22.700 When you get off a ferry boat in Vancouver or Victoria, 01:08:22.700 --> 01:08:25.780 you can book a boat or a bike or a bed and breakfast 01:08:25.780 --> 01:08:28.500 anywhere around Vancouver Island from a kiosk 01:08:28.500 --> 01:08:30.060 with beautiful little magic pictures 01:08:30.060 --> 01:08:32.460 that takes your charge card. 01:08:32.460 --> 01:08:35.380 We should have those at the Collier Rest Area on I-5, 01:08:35.380 --> 01:08:37.820 to harvest some of those people and get them going west. 01:08:37.820 --> 01:08:40.260 We should have them at the Chamber of Commerce's. 01:08:40.260 --> 01:08:42.580 And we should have them at high tourist draw up places 01:08:42.580 --> 01:08:46.380 where, gosh, honey, we could see the boats better 01:08:46.380 --> 01:08:47.580 if we rented a kayak. 01:08:47.580 --> 01:08:50.300 And they put that charge card in there. 01:08:50.300 --> 01:08:51.460 He's got a sail. 01:08:51.460 --> 01:08:53.140 And they just show up and get in the boat. 01:08:53.140 --> 01:08:57.460 And I think for us to really get the tourist business 01:08:57.460 --> 01:08:59.960 and maximize it, we could take this 01:08:59.960 --> 01:09:02.060 as far as expanding bed and breakfasts 01:09:02.060 --> 01:09:03.020 and all kinds of things. 01:09:03.020 --> 01:09:04.980 Because if you want to do a bed and breakfast 01:09:04.980 --> 01:09:06.820 and you sit out on Highway 96, you 01:09:06.820 --> 01:09:08.940 could start waiting for customers. 01:09:08.940 --> 01:09:10.660 So we've got to figure out how to feed. 01:09:10.660 --> 01:09:12.580 And I think you're onto something here. 01:09:12.580 --> 01:09:14.060 I mean, there's a lot of traffic. 01:09:14.060 --> 01:09:16.580 But we're not harvesting at these various points. 01:09:16.580 --> 01:09:19.780 But this is kind of not exactly bay related. 01:09:19.780 --> 01:09:22.180 But I think it's got some potential. 01:09:22.180 --> 01:09:25.180 We work with five bed and breakfasts that will say, 01:09:25.180 --> 01:09:27.620 hey, you want to go see birds in the Houghton Slough, 01:09:27.620 --> 01:09:28.380 call Humboldt's. 01:09:28.380 --> 01:09:30.340 And we set up package tours of them very easy. 01:09:30.340 --> 01:09:32.820 We pick them up at their bed and breakfast 01:09:32.820 --> 01:09:34.180 and take them to the Houghton Slough. 01:09:34.180 --> 01:09:36.220 Because really, that's the best way to get in there 01:09:36.220 --> 01:09:37.220 and see the birds. 01:09:37.220 --> 01:09:39.500 It's really the only way to get in there and see the birds 01:09:39.500 --> 01:09:39.980 is by kayak. 01:09:39.980 --> 01:09:41.700 And Tony Smithers must be smiling, 01:09:41.700 --> 01:09:45.260 because Mike informs me that Sunset Magazine on the news 01:09:45.260 --> 01:09:47.380 stands today is about Humboldt Bay. 01:09:47.380 --> 01:09:48.340 No, no, no. 01:09:48.340 --> 01:09:48.980 It's featured. 01:09:48.980 --> 01:09:51.420 Humboldt Bay is featured in Sunset Magazine. 01:09:51.420 --> 01:09:52.500 Yeah, we're in there. 01:09:52.500 --> 01:09:52.980 Yep. 01:09:52.980 --> 01:09:55.140 Well, we'll say wrong. 01:09:55.140 --> 01:09:56.620 OK. 01:09:56.620 --> 01:09:57.580 It wasn't the cover. 01:09:57.580 --> 01:09:58.780 It was not on the cover. 01:09:58.780 --> 01:09:59.940 Oh, that's the cover. 01:09:59.940 --> 01:10:00.980 Oh, well. 01:10:00.980 --> 01:10:03.500 Hyperbole, if you understand. 01:10:03.500 --> 01:10:05.900 And I'm tempted. 01:10:05.900 --> 01:10:07.300 Jennifer Savage. 01:10:07.300 --> 01:10:08.980 We have two Jennifers in a row. 01:10:08.980 --> 01:10:13.060 And Jennifer is the head of local surf rider. 01:10:13.060 --> 01:10:16.300 She works for the Ocean Conservancy now, too. 01:10:16.300 --> 01:10:20.540 She's also been a distinguished reporter on our local papers. 01:10:20.540 --> 01:10:22.900 And this evening, despite the fact 01:10:22.900 --> 01:10:25.940 that it says windsurfing, she's not going to talk about that. 01:10:25.940 --> 01:10:29.780 She's going to talk about surfing, surfing and tourism, 01:10:29.780 --> 01:10:32.500 and surfing needs for infrastructure. 01:10:32.500 --> 01:10:33.580 Did I get that right? 01:10:33.580 --> 01:10:34.260 Yes. 01:10:34.260 --> 01:10:34.760 Great. 01:10:34.760 --> 01:10:35.260 Thanks. 01:10:35.260 --> 01:10:37.580 And I would have loved to have talked about windsurfing, 01:10:37.580 --> 01:10:39.260 but that, as I was working on this, 01:10:39.260 --> 01:10:42.220 was just turning into such a big topic in and of itself. 01:10:42.220 --> 01:10:45.860 And there's not as much overlap geographically, 01:10:45.860 --> 01:10:47.420 as a person might think. 01:10:47.420 --> 01:10:49.460 But I will mention, Cape Mendocino 01:10:49.460 --> 01:10:53.940 is known for as a world class windsurfing spot. 01:10:53.940 --> 01:10:58.740 I don't know, though, how much attention people would want, 01:10:58.740 --> 01:11:00.940 which is sort of the weird thing about surfing, too, 01:11:00.940 --> 01:11:03.180 is even when I mentioned to some people 01:11:03.180 --> 01:11:05.020 that I would be here talking about it, 01:11:05.020 --> 01:11:07.060 they were like, well, what are you going to say? 01:11:07.060 --> 01:11:12.180 They get very worried about this. 01:11:12.180 --> 01:11:15.500 But judging by the support that we've 01:11:15.500 --> 01:11:18.980 received as the humble chapter of the Surf Rider Foundation 01:11:18.980 --> 01:11:21.700 since we got it going again last year, 01:11:21.700 --> 01:11:24.020 I would say people are definitely 01:11:24.020 --> 01:11:26.980 behind Surf Rider trying to improve things in many ways. 01:11:26.980 --> 01:11:28.740 And we've had a lot of support, and so it's 01:11:28.740 --> 01:11:32.100 exciting to be here and talk about some further 01:11:32.100 --> 01:11:34.300 collaboration and things like that. 01:11:34.300 --> 01:11:37.100 This is my very first PowerPoint presentation ever, 01:11:37.100 --> 01:11:38.740 so I'm a little nervous. 01:11:38.740 --> 01:11:41.060 Congratulations. 01:11:41.060 --> 01:11:41.560 Thanks. 01:11:41.560 --> 01:11:42.060 It's beautiful. 01:11:42.060 --> 01:11:42.940 Good start. 01:11:42.940 --> 01:11:45.660 I couldn't surf today, because I did this instead. 01:11:49.300 --> 01:11:57.900 So despite this area being cold and sharky 01:11:57.900 --> 01:12:03.060 and all of that sort of thing, and despite people's desire 01:12:03.060 --> 01:12:04.620 to pretend that things are secret 01:12:04.620 --> 01:12:06.460 since the advent of the internet, 01:12:06.460 --> 01:12:08.620 things really are not at this point. 01:12:08.620 --> 01:12:14.980 And this map over here on the left 01:12:14.980 --> 01:12:17.700 actually appeared in National Geographic a couple of years 01:12:17.700 --> 01:12:18.420 ago. 01:12:18.420 --> 01:12:21.020 Surf Line has the California Surf Guide. 01:12:21.020 --> 01:12:23.980 Surfer Magazine has that guide to the northern and central 01:12:23.980 --> 01:12:25.740 California surf spots. 01:12:25.740 --> 01:12:29.900 You can read about Arcadia's GIS guy, Brian King, 01:12:29.900 --> 01:12:31.900 hit by a great white shark a couple of years ago, 01:12:31.900 --> 01:12:34.620 mentioned in there. 01:12:34.620 --> 01:12:37.140 And Surf Line and wanttosurf.com, 01:12:37.140 --> 01:12:38.860 those are two of the very popular websites 01:12:38.860 --> 01:12:40.200 that people research when they're 01:12:40.200 --> 01:12:41.540 making surf travel plans. 01:12:41.540 --> 01:12:44.900 And they do say it's cold, it's sharky, 01:12:44.900 --> 01:12:46.300 the locals can be kind of scary. 01:12:46.300 --> 01:12:49.340 But they also have a lot of positive reinforcement 01:12:49.340 --> 01:12:49.840 there, too. 01:12:49.840 --> 01:12:56.800 So there's definitely a lot of information out there 01:12:56.800 --> 01:12:59.440 that encourages people to come here and surf. 01:12:59.440 --> 01:13:02.960 And wilderness surfing in itself is really 01:13:02.960 --> 01:13:06.320 appealing to people who live, say, in southern California, who 01:13:06.320 --> 01:13:11.240 are used to huge crowds and polluted water 01:13:11.240 --> 01:13:12.840 and the whole city thing. 01:13:12.840 --> 01:13:17.280 They love coming up here into this relatively pristine water 01:13:17.280 --> 01:13:18.360 and the tree. 01:13:18.360 --> 01:13:19.680 It's just the whole thing. 01:13:19.680 --> 01:13:21.840 So it's very appealing. 01:13:21.840 --> 01:13:27.400 HSU, the bane of our existence for surfers up here, 01:13:27.400 --> 01:13:32.920 nonetheless, they highlight surfing. 01:13:32.920 --> 01:13:35.440 It's a big draw for HSU students. 01:13:35.440 --> 01:13:38.040 Like many things, outdoors, people come to HSU 01:13:38.040 --> 01:13:39.640 because not only do they want a degree, 01:13:39.640 --> 01:13:43.200 but often are interested in hiking, surfing, 01:13:43.200 --> 01:13:44.840 all the different things like that. 01:13:44.840 --> 01:13:47.280 For years, they have been offering these surf classes. 01:13:47.280 --> 01:13:51.320 They're only getting more popular. 01:13:51.320 --> 01:13:54.360 There's two surf camps that run during the summer. 01:13:54.360 --> 01:13:56.800 At Moonstone Beach, there's Humboldt Ocean Adventures, 01:13:56.800 --> 01:14:01.000 which is actually just finishing up its 10th year, I believe. 01:14:01.000 --> 01:14:04.040 Moonstone Beach Surf Campus has been going on for several years 01:14:04.040 --> 01:14:05.360 as well. 01:14:05.360 --> 01:14:10.000 Surf for Peace Contest, it will be celebrating its sixth year, 01:14:10.000 --> 01:14:11.200 October 10. 01:14:11.200 --> 01:14:13.520 That happens at Trinidad State Beach. 01:14:13.520 --> 01:14:17.280 And people come from all over the coast for the surf contest. 01:14:17.280 --> 01:14:19.120 Even though it's low-keep, it's very fun, 01:14:19.120 --> 01:14:21.120 and people come down from Oregon and Washington, 01:14:21.120 --> 01:14:22.640 they come up from the Bay Area. 01:14:22.640 --> 01:14:26.080 It's a really good time. 01:14:26.080 --> 01:14:29.480 California Business Minute said that surfing is still 01:14:29.480 --> 01:14:30.880 very much entwined. 01:14:30.880 --> 01:14:32.920 It's matured into a sophisticated subset 01:14:32.920 --> 01:14:35.120 sector of the sports industry that continues 01:14:35.120 --> 01:14:38.720 to see significant growth. 01:14:38.720 --> 01:14:41.340 I've been surfing here for about 10 years. 01:14:41.340 --> 01:14:45.760 When I first started surfing, if there were 15 or 20 people 01:14:45.760 --> 01:14:49.120 out at the same time, that seemed like a big crowd. 01:14:49.120 --> 01:14:51.040 Now at Camel Rock, it's not unusual to see 01:14:51.040 --> 01:14:52.520 60 people in the water. 01:14:52.520 --> 01:14:54.200 You can't even park anymore. 01:14:54.200 --> 01:14:57.880 It's really horrible with the parking situation. 01:14:57.880 --> 01:15:00.720 But it's sort of a relief now if there's only 01:15:00.720 --> 01:15:02.040 15 or 20 people out there. 01:15:05.000 --> 01:15:08.600 Surfing draws all kinds of people. 01:15:08.600 --> 01:15:12.200 People of all ages, people from all over, 01:15:12.200 --> 01:15:14.680 people with vastly different backgrounds. 01:15:14.680 --> 01:15:17.760 It's definitely not a one-size-fits-all crowd. 01:15:17.760 --> 01:15:20.800 I mean, there's such a diversity among people 01:15:20.800 --> 01:15:22.360 that surf around here. 01:15:22.360 --> 01:15:24.000 And a lot of the people that surf also 01:15:24.000 --> 01:15:26.240 do these other sports and different things, 01:15:26.240 --> 01:15:27.640 like I was saying. 01:15:27.640 --> 01:15:29.160 People bike and surf a lot. 01:15:29.160 --> 01:15:33.440 People come up to do climbing. 01:15:33.440 --> 01:15:37.120 All of these magazines featured Humble in some way 01:15:37.120 --> 01:15:39.200 in conjunction with these other activities. 01:15:42.320 --> 01:15:50.880 So Surf Rider has been around in Humboldt since 89. 01:15:50.880 --> 01:15:52.880 And so it's been about 20 years. 01:15:52.880 --> 01:15:57.920 But the chapter went defunct for a while due to inactivity. 01:15:57.920 --> 01:16:00.920 And I wasn't part of it then. 01:16:00.920 --> 01:16:04.120 So I can't really speak exactly to why that happened. 01:16:04.120 --> 01:16:07.160 But last year, myself and some other people 01:16:07.160 --> 01:16:09.560 who were interested got it going again. 01:16:09.560 --> 01:16:14.280 And it's been really successful. 01:16:14.280 --> 01:16:17.520 It continually amazes me how much support 01:16:17.520 --> 01:16:18.800 there is out in the community. 01:16:18.800 --> 01:16:21.440 Every time we have an event, people turn out. 01:16:21.440 --> 01:16:23.120 We've had events at Arcata Theater. 01:16:23.120 --> 01:16:24.760 Hundreds of people have come out, too. 01:16:24.760 --> 01:16:26.520 It's just been really great. 01:16:26.520 --> 01:16:30.480 So that has enabled us to start a number of projects. 01:16:30.480 --> 01:16:36.720 So these areas, I decided to narrow our focus for this 01:16:36.720 --> 01:16:37.680 tonight. 01:16:37.680 --> 01:16:40.120 Even though there are surf spots all over the place, 01:16:40.120 --> 01:16:43.040 but the most popular ones are between the Harbor Entrance 01:16:43.040 --> 01:16:45.040 and Trinidad, generally. 01:16:45.040 --> 01:16:48.560 And so those are the ones that we 01:16:48.560 --> 01:16:51.320 are looking at as far as infrastructure needs. 01:16:51.320 --> 01:16:54.800 Things that we're already working on up at Camel Rock. 01:16:54.800 --> 01:16:57.920 Who to Point, you guys all know where that is? 01:16:57.920 --> 01:16:59.880 Working on trail maintenance and signage. 01:16:59.880 --> 01:17:01.680 In fact, I'm going to have individual slides. 01:17:01.680 --> 01:17:04.160 I will just talk about that. 01:17:04.160 --> 01:17:07.920 So Camel Rock, up there, it's one of the area's most popular 01:17:07.920 --> 01:17:08.920 spots, as I was saying. 01:17:08.920 --> 01:17:12.280 There's really heavy impact around that whole Who to Point 01:17:12.280 --> 01:17:12.800 area. 01:17:12.800 --> 01:17:14.480 When the surf is good, people will 01:17:14.480 --> 01:17:17.600 be parked from that lookout spot where that house is, 01:17:17.600 --> 01:17:19.640 all the way down to Luffenholz. 01:17:19.640 --> 01:17:22.680 So the parking is just really crazy. 01:17:22.680 --> 01:17:24.000 The trail's heavily used. 01:17:24.000 --> 01:17:25.800 It gets regularly washed out in the winter. 01:17:25.800 --> 01:17:27.520 It gets overgrown in the summer. 01:17:27.520 --> 01:17:29.640 Humboldt North Coast Land Trust does a really good job 01:17:29.640 --> 01:17:30.880 of maintaining it overall. 01:17:30.880 --> 01:17:34.320 But the more dedicated help, the better for that. 01:17:34.320 --> 01:17:36.560 And a lot of people in the community like to go there, 01:17:36.560 --> 01:17:39.320 go tide pooling, or have a picnic. 01:17:39.320 --> 01:17:42.400 It's a little less crowded than Moonstone on the beach 01:17:42.400 --> 01:17:44.160 and a little more dramatic. 01:17:44.160 --> 01:17:51.520 So it's very popular, with just people not surfing as well. 01:17:51.520 --> 01:17:53.800 We are currently working with the Land Trust 01:17:53.800 --> 01:17:55.480 to install some etiquette signage, 01:17:55.480 --> 01:17:57.520 because that's been a really big problem as it's 01:17:57.520 --> 01:17:59.400 become more crowded. 01:17:59.400 --> 01:18:02.440 There's been a lot of problems with people not following 01:18:02.440 --> 01:18:04.920 etiquette, which is a really big deal in the surf world. 01:18:04.920 --> 01:18:09.800 And then threats are exchanged, and people 01:18:09.800 --> 01:18:11.240 look meanly at each other. 01:18:11.240 --> 01:18:14.040 It's terrible. 01:18:14.040 --> 01:18:17.160 So with regards to things that the district could do, 01:18:17.160 --> 01:18:20.320 trail support, of course, is always a benefit. 01:18:20.320 --> 01:18:25.560 And there's a lot of people that live near that area, 01:18:25.560 --> 01:18:27.880 from McKinleyville to Trinidad, that use it. 01:18:27.880 --> 01:18:31.840 And a lot of people would walk or bike if they could. 01:18:31.840 --> 01:18:33.400 And that would really help alleviate 01:18:33.400 --> 01:18:35.440 with a lot of the parking issue, which is also 01:18:35.440 --> 01:18:38.960 a big problem at Moonstone Beach. 01:18:38.960 --> 01:18:41.680 Moonstone is an extremely popular beginner spot, 01:18:41.680 --> 01:18:43.840 hence the camps that happen there. 01:18:43.840 --> 01:18:47.040 The center activities classes happen there as well. 01:18:47.040 --> 01:18:49.360 One of the big projects that we're working on 01:18:49.360 --> 01:18:52.480 is a shower project. 01:18:52.480 --> 01:18:54.440 Do you guys know Glenn Stockwell at all? 01:18:54.440 --> 01:18:55.440 Did any of you ever? 01:18:55.440 --> 01:18:56.440 Yeah, he just passed away. 01:18:56.440 --> 01:19:01.080 Yeah, Glenn, he was on the National Board of Surf Rider 01:19:01.080 --> 01:19:02.880 for a long time, and is probably best 01:19:02.880 --> 01:19:06.160 known for being a polysci professor at College 01:19:06.160 --> 01:19:07.760 of the Redwoods for many, many years. 01:19:07.760 --> 01:19:11.160 He is great if you've ever hung out with him 01:19:11.160 --> 01:19:12.160 or had him for a class. 01:19:12.160 --> 01:19:14.920 And he was a fantastic guy. 01:19:14.920 --> 01:19:19.760 And he passed away about a year and a half ago. 01:19:19.760 --> 01:19:22.920 And we have some funds that have been donated in his memory 01:19:22.920 --> 01:19:26.160 with the hopes of getting a shower going there again. 01:19:26.160 --> 01:19:27.680 There is a shower there, but it's 01:19:27.680 --> 01:19:29.480 been turned off for a number of years 01:19:29.480 --> 01:19:32.960 due to some conflicts with Sam Merriman, who 01:19:32.960 --> 01:19:33.840 owns the property. 01:19:33.840 --> 01:19:36.160 Although he's supportive of the idea of a shower, 01:19:36.160 --> 01:19:39.840 he got tired, understandably, of paying the bill, 01:19:39.840 --> 01:19:42.480 especially because there were a lot of people that would come 01:19:42.480 --> 01:19:45.400 and use the showers at all times. 01:19:45.400 --> 01:19:47.920 And this is a transient problem. 01:19:47.920 --> 01:19:51.440 It seems to be an inherent issue. 01:19:51.440 --> 01:19:53.760 So what we want to do, and we're working with Sam 01:19:53.760 --> 01:19:57.720 and with the Land Trust, is put in a shower again 01:19:57.720 --> 01:20:01.200 with a couple different shower heads and foot washes, 01:20:01.200 --> 01:20:03.840 have a place where people could put their boards up on a rack 01:20:03.840 --> 01:20:05.880 so they could really just set them aside, 01:20:05.880 --> 01:20:09.600 not have to put them on the rocks or anything, rinse off, 01:20:09.600 --> 01:20:11.400 have a couple benches there. 01:20:11.400 --> 01:20:13.280 And it would be great not just for surfers, 01:20:13.280 --> 01:20:15.600 but also there's so many families that use the beach 01:20:15.600 --> 01:20:17.320 and people that like to swim in the river. 01:20:17.320 --> 01:20:19.440 And I think it'd be great for the whole community. 01:20:19.440 --> 01:20:22.440 So that's why we really want to do it at Moonstone, 01:20:22.440 --> 01:20:26.040 because then it would benefit everyone, not just us. 01:20:26.040 --> 01:20:28.680 I think parents could wash their kids' feet off 01:20:28.680 --> 01:20:29.520 before they get in the car. 01:20:29.520 --> 01:20:30.560 There's just so many things. 01:20:30.560 --> 01:20:32.360 It would be, when the shower was running, 01:20:32.360 --> 01:20:34.440 people used it all the time. 01:20:34.440 --> 01:20:35.280 Oh, sorry. 01:20:37.160 --> 01:20:39.640 And also we are, if you've been to Moonstone, 01:20:39.640 --> 01:20:42.560 you may have noticed there's like a million different signs 01:20:42.560 --> 01:20:43.440 all over the place. 01:20:43.440 --> 01:20:44.920 So we're working with the Land Trust 01:20:44.920 --> 01:20:47.640 to put in one big new sign. 01:20:47.640 --> 01:20:48.880 It's etched on redwood. 01:20:48.880 --> 01:20:49.720 It's really nice. 01:20:49.720 --> 01:20:51.280 It will look a lot better. 01:20:51.280 --> 01:20:52.520 It will be a lot more visible. 01:20:52.520 --> 01:20:55.520 It will hopefully alleviate some of the problems there. 01:20:55.520 --> 01:20:57.160 We're also putting in two new doggy pots. 01:20:57.160 --> 01:20:58.080 It's very exciting. 01:20:59.080 --> 01:21:01.400 It was a huge problem with parking there as well. 01:21:01.400 --> 01:21:04.200 So again, the shower project, 01:21:04.200 --> 01:21:07.360 any support that is offered for that, we would love. 01:21:07.360 --> 01:21:12.360 And bike trails, again, useful because of the parking. 01:21:12.440 --> 01:21:14.200 On the Samoa Peninsula, 01:21:14.200 --> 01:21:16.760 if you've ever been out that back road by the foghorns, 01:21:16.760 --> 01:21:18.200 you may have noticed there's a shower there. 01:21:18.200 --> 01:21:19.560 It hasn't worked for a couple of years, 01:21:19.560 --> 01:21:22.560 but I'm happy to say that we have purchased a new shower 01:21:22.560 --> 01:21:26.080 and it should be installed and running by November 1st. 01:21:26.080 --> 01:21:27.760 Very excited about that. 01:21:27.760 --> 01:21:32.680 But we have a fund to maintain that, but it's limited. 01:21:32.680 --> 01:21:35.040 It worked good for a number of years 01:21:35.040 --> 01:21:37.160 and it's a serious heavy duty shower. 01:21:37.160 --> 01:21:39.800 However, any support there would be fine. 01:21:40.920 --> 01:21:43.480 A shower at Samoa Beach would also be good 01:21:43.480 --> 01:21:45.520 for the same reasons one would be good at Moonstone. 01:21:45.520 --> 01:21:48.540 It's very popular for surfing and for beach going. 01:21:48.540 --> 01:21:51.400 The entire peninsula would benefit from improved bike access. 01:21:51.400 --> 01:21:53.520 There's a lot of people that would opt not to drive 01:21:53.520 --> 01:21:55.240 if they could bike out there safely, 01:21:55.240 --> 01:21:56.800 but right now you can't do that. 01:21:58.280 --> 01:21:59.600 Oh, and that's it. 01:21:59.600 --> 01:22:00.440 Thank you. 01:22:00.440 --> 01:22:01.280 Thank you. 01:22:01.280 --> 01:22:02.120 Thank you. 01:22:02.120 --> 01:22:02.960 Shoot. 01:22:02.960 --> 01:22:07.200 Good job, Jennifer. 01:22:07.200 --> 01:22:09.000 Good problem. 01:22:09.000 --> 01:22:11.760 We'd have never known it was your first one up yet. 01:22:11.760 --> 01:22:13.560 What was your last one just because? 01:22:13.560 --> 01:22:15.800 No, I mean, nothing against you. 01:22:15.800 --> 01:22:17.760 It's just hard to judge. 01:22:17.760 --> 01:22:19.360 Once you go down this road, there's nothing. 01:22:19.360 --> 01:22:20.200 All right. 01:22:20.200 --> 01:22:21.720 We're gonna ask that. 01:22:21.720 --> 01:22:23.160 Anybody had a question for Jennifer? 01:22:23.160 --> 01:22:24.000 Mike. 01:22:24.000 --> 01:22:24.820 I knew. 01:22:24.820 --> 01:22:25.660 I was just kind of wondering, 01:22:25.660 --> 01:22:28.320 I have all those magazines and there's a lot of focus 01:22:28.320 --> 01:22:32.760 on recreation being good for us as locals. 01:22:32.760 --> 01:22:35.200 And then there's the focus on the economic impact 01:22:35.200 --> 01:22:38.280 and that generally happens to be associated 01:22:38.280 --> 01:22:40.040 with out of towners coming to town. 01:22:40.040 --> 01:22:43.140 Is there any assessment of the out of towners 01:22:43.140 --> 01:22:45.760 coming for that particular activity at all 01:22:45.760 --> 01:22:47.400 or is it all anecdotal? 01:22:47.400 --> 01:22:49.920 I don't know about numbers. 01:22:49.920 --> 01:22:51.600 There's probably not studies done. 01:22:51.600 --> 01:22:56.600 I mean, the best way, like if you went to the surf shops, 01:22:56.720 --> 01:22:57.640 you could find that out, 01:22:57.640 --> 01:23:00.040 except that people don't like to talk about it. 01:23:01.360 --> 01:23:03.200 But it's, I mean. 01:23:03.200 --> 01:23:04.800 Sounds like some other economies we have there. 01:23:04.800 --> 01:23:07.840 Yeah, but people, I mean, people come through. 01:23:07.840 --> 01:23:09.320 When I go down to San Francisco, 01:23:09.320 --> 01:23:10.800 I mean, the surf shop's down there. 01:23:10.800 --> 01:23:12.760 There's always people who have just come back 01:23:12.760 --> 01:23:15.120 from doing tours down the coast. 01:23:15.120 --> 01:23:19.240 But yeah, I don't have hard and fast numbers. 01:23:19.240 --> 01:23:21.480 But you get a sense that there's quite a few surfers 01:23:21.480 --> 01:23:23.960 that come here to vacation or on surf trips. 01:23:23.960 --> 01:23:25.040 They stop here for a while. 01:23:25.040 --> 01:23:26.960 Oh yeah, and it is a really big draw. 01:23:26.960 --> 01:23:30.080 Like I was saying, especially people in Southern California 01:23:30.080 --> 01:23:33.120 or from the East Coast, because it's so unique here. 01:23:33.120 --> 01:23:35.560 It's so different and they love it 01:23:35.560 --> 01:23:37.040 despite the cold and everything. 01:23:37.040 --> 01:23:38.720 And it's bigger here, it's burly. 01:23:38.720 --> 01:23:40.840 So it's like that appeal of, you know, 01:23:40.840 --> 01:23:43.120 if you can't go to Hawaii and surf the warm big waves, 01:23:43.120 --> 01:23:46.400 you can go to Humboldt and earn your cred that way. 01:23:48.560 --> 01:23:50.640 I left it, I left it up. 01:23:50.640 --> 01:23:51.760 One more from the day about. 01:23:51.760 --> 01:23:53.440 Just a question, a comment. 01:23:53.440 --> 01:23:55.760 I guess some of the more insane 01:23:55.760 --> 01:23:58.760 and entertaining surfing I've seen around 01:23:58.760 --> 01:24:00.680 is the entrance to the Bay. 01:24:00.680 --> 01:24:04.560 And I'm wondering if that's a draw to hardcore surfers 01:24:04.560 --> 01:24:07.440 to come and earn their creds that way. 01:24:07.440 --> 01:24:09.240 We've actually, there's been pro surfers 01:24:09.240 --> 01:24:12.160 that have come up here and practiced their tow-ins 01:24:12.160 --> 01:24:13.600 in the Bay entrance. 01:24:13.600 --> 01:24:15.040 So yeah, it's definitely. 01:24:15.040 --> 01:24:16.080 That's when you get seriously big waves 01:24:16.080 --> 01:24:19.040 after towing in the way you can't just paddle. 01:24:19.040 --> 01:24:20.200 It's very entertaining. 01:24:20.200 --> 01:24:23.480 Yeah, so you see the guys out there on their jet skis. 01:24:23.480 --> 01:24:27.040 Yeah, definitely, because there's not that many big waves 01:24:27.040 --> 01:24:29.680 like that on the California coast. 01:24:29.680 --> 01:24:32.480 And it's extremely accessible because it's right there. 01:24:33.640 --> 01:24:34.480 Larry? 01:24:35.440 --> 01:24:38.040 You're not from the surfers themselves, 01:24:38.040 --> 01:24:42.120 but sort of like you said, on the North Jetty is, 01:24:42.120 --> 01:24:43.680 I like to go out just to surf. 01:24:43.680 --> 01:24:45.560 I'm not stupid enough to go out myself 01:24:45.560 --> 01:24:48.320 or smart enough to go out myself. 01:24:48.320 --> 01:24:50.360 Especially when the big waves come in, 01:24:50.360 --> 01:24:52.200 I mean, it's a great place to watch 01:24:52.200 --> 01:24:54.360 and just a sort of dream for the average person. 01:24:54.360 --> 01:24:57.840 Oh, if I was only so courageous and adventurous, 01:24:57.840 --> 01:24:59.240 I might be out there myself. 01:24:59.240 --> 01:25:02.160 But it's another one of those features that we have 01:25:02.160 --> 01:25:05.040 of just recreational watching other people 01:25:05.040 --> 01:25:06.480 do sporting activities. 01:25:06.480 --> 01:25:08.120 That's, it's very entertaining. 01:25:08.120 --> 01:25:10.360 It's actually, and it's because the waves 01:25:10.360 --> 01:25:12.640 break in the entrance, it's a great place 01:25:12.640 --> 01:25:15.040 to have a vantage point that you can rarely have. 01:25:15.040 --> 01:25:16.520 I mean, if you go look at Mavericks 01:25:16.520 --> 01:25:19.320 or the other big wave places, 01:25:19.320 --> 01:25:20.560 they're breaking way out there. 01:25:20.560 --> 01:25:22.840 You can't see them, but at the harbor entrance, 01:25:22.840 --> 01:25:24.520 you can be there right on the side 01:25:24.520 --> 01:25:27.360 and watch this mountain of water coming through. 01:25:27.360 --> 01:25:29.680 And I've been out there where there's hundreds of people 01:25:29.680 --> 01:25:31.800 on the dunes, you know, with their lawn chairs, 01:25:31.800 --> 01:25:33.480 like in that day in the movies or something. 01:25:33.480 --> 01:25:35.640 Yeah, absolutely. 01:25:35.640 --> 01:25:38.520 I've seen it break in like the Bazaar pipeline. 01:25:38.520 --> 01:25:41.080 It was like 12, 15 feet. 01:25:41.080 --> 01:25:43.360 It was just extraordinary. 01:25:43.360 --> 01:25:45.520 You guys were running along the jetty 01:25:45.520 --> 01:25:47.800 and then throwing their boards in and jumping. 01:25:51.440 --> 01:25:52.840 Jennifer Rice. 01:25:54.160 --> 01:25:57.160 Jenna's been with Redwood Community Action Agency 01:25:57.160 --> 01:25:58.120 for quite some time. 01:25:58.120 --> 01:26:02.880 She's the Natural Resources Director or Co-Director. 01:26:02.880 --> 01:26:06.240 She is a specialist in many things, 01:26:06.240 --> 01:26:11.240 but particularly recreational development and planning. 01:26:11.400 --> 01:26:14.600 And she's done a lot on trails and water trails. 01:26:14.600 --> 01:26:17.200 And I'm very glad that you could juggle us in 01:26:17.200 --> 01:26:19.680 to your busy schedule and enlighten, 01:26:19.680 --> 01:26:21.800 and I'm guessing, enthuse us. 01:26:22.800 --> 01:26:23.640 Hopefully so. 01:26:23.640 --> 01:26:25.360 And I'm gonna be co-presenting with Mike Bittner, 01:26:25.360 --> 01:26:27.200 who you probably all know as the president 01:26:27.200 --> 01:26:29.960 of the Trails Trust Humboldt Bay. 01:26:29.960 --> 01:26:31.600 And I think he passed out some information 01:26:31.600 --> 01:26:32.440 about the Trails Trust. 01:26:32.440 --> 01:26:33.280 And I'm gonna start around, 01:26:33.280 --> 01:26:35.080 I only have 11 copies of this, 01:26:35.080 --> 01:26:37.080 but it's called The Economic Benefits 01:26:37.080 --> 01:26:38.880 of Walkable Communities. 01:26:38.880 --> 01:26:40.960 The kind of premise that, for the most part, 01:26:40.960 --> 01:26:42.120 you gotta get people on their feet 01:26:42.120 --> 01:26:44.120 to pull out their pocketbook. 01:26:44.120 --> 01:26:48.440 And how to do that by the Local Government Commission. 01:26:48.440 --> 01:26:53.440 And with that, so we're gonna talk about land trails, 01:26:54.440 --> 01:26:56.480 water trails, not just about recreation, 01:26:56.480 --> 01:26:58.600 but active transportation 01:26:58.600 --> 01:27:00.840 and how that plays into this whole picture. 01:27:00.840 --> 01:27:05.120 And I'll give you a little brief overview, 01:27:05.120 --> 01:27:09.560 and Mike and I will tag team on current status 01:27:09.560 --> 01:27:13.800 of planning and laying the groundwork for systems, 01:27:13.800 --> 01:27:16.080 to have trail systems, water trail systems. 01:27:16.080 --> 01:27:18.400 And then talk a little bit about economic development 01:27:18.400 --> 01:27:20.640 relationship to those efforts. 01:27:22.120 --> 01:27:27.120 So I'm gonna start out with the water trail aspect. 01:27:27.120 --> 01:27:32.120 And there's a water trail movement around the country, 01:27:32.400 --> 01:27:33.240 and probably around the world, 01:27:33.240 --> 01:27:35.520 and I'm sure Hawk knows more about that. 01:27:36.440 --> 01:27:39.440 But what Humboldt Bay has is world-class 01:27:39.440 --> 01:27:40.560 paddling environment. 01:27:40.560 --> 01:27:42.520 And I've heard many, many paddlers say 01:27:42.520 --> 01:27:44.120 they go to lots of other places, 01:27:44.120 --> 01:27:45.680 and they come back here, 01:27:45.680 --> 01:27:49.960 and they feel so lucky to have the sluice 01:27:49.960 --> 01:27:54.320 and the open bay, and even Trinidad Bay, Ocean, 01:27:54.320 --> 01:27:56.600 all these opportunities, estuaries, 01:27:56.600 --> 01:27:59.360 here that we have in Humboldt County, 01:27:59.360 --> 01:28:01.600 and Humboldt Bay in particular. 01:28:01.600 --> 01:28:04.960 And so water trail concept is really improving access 01:28:04.960 --> 01:28:09.280 to bay put-ins, take-outs, and potentially routes, 01:28:09.280 --> 01:28:12.440 or other forms of supporting 01:28:13.680 --> 01:28:17.720 kayaking, canoeing activities. 01:28:17.720 --> 01:28:21.160 And so that includes dock, 01:28:21.160 --> 01:28:24.280 and other sorts of paddling access improvements, 01:28:24.280 --> 01:28:26.360 signage, helping people be informed 01:28:26.360 --> 01:28:29.360 about where and how they're accessing the water, 01:28:29.360 --> 01:28:31.080 other things like restrooms, 01:28:31.080 --> 01:28:32.360 because you're probably hopping on one leg 01:28:32.360 --> 01:28:33.760 when you get out of your boat. 01:28:33.760 --> 01:28:36.360 And of course, parking, like we've just heard from Jen, 01:28:36.360 --> 01:28:39.640 for popular places, that's really important. 01:28:39.640 --> 01:28:42.040 The information is really critical part 01:28:42.040 --> 01:28:46.640 of facilitating kayaking and canoeing. 01:28:46.640 --> 01:28:48.200 And I don't know if you've noticed, 01:28:48.200 --> 01:28:51.760 but Walmart, Costco, a lot of these places 01:28:51.760 --> 01:28:55.600 sell kayaks of some form nowadays, 01:28:55.600 --> 01:28:58.600 and you see them on a lot of recreational vehicles 01:28:58.600 --> 01:29:00.360 going by, along with the bikes on the back, 01:29:00.360 --> 01:29:01.760 and the kayaks on the top. 01:29:01.760 --> 01:29:06.240 So there's a huge public now 01:29:06.240 --> 01:29:08.800 that is interested, wants that access, 01:29:08.800 --> 01:29:10.280 and when people get out there on the bay, 01:29:10.280 --> 01:29:12.960 and they realize, holy moly, this is a wild place, 01:29:12.960 --> 01:29:17.280 and it's literally stone throw from where they live. 01:29:17.280 --> 01:29:19.060 And it's a completely different perspective 01:29:19.060 --> 01:29:19.960 when you get out on the bay, 01:29:19.960 --> 01:29:22.640 for probably most of you who have been out there. 01:29:22.640 --> 01:29:25.720 And when you can do it easily, 01:29:25.720 --> 01:29:29.640 there's just, I think there's an incredibly big market 01:29:29.640 --> 01:29:32.480 that could be tapped for facilitating 01:29:32.480 --> 01:29:35.040 people's access to the information 01:29:35.040 --> 01:29:37.700 about how to get out on the bay and do it safely. 01:29:39.200 --> 01:29:41.200 I think there's a huge latent potential 01:29:41.200 --> 01:29:45.760 with a much lower investment required 01:29:45.760 --> 01:29:48.220 than say big multi-use trail systems 01:29:48.220 --> 01:29:49.960 that are like small roads to build. 01:29:49.960 --> 01:29:54.160 So we did an assessment of all the places 01:29:54.160 --> 01:29:56.360 that people use around the bay 01:29:56.360 --> 01:30:01.360 to access the bay in 2001 in my stack of studies here, 01:30:03.400 --> 01:30:05.160 and the Humboldt Bay Trails Feasibility Study, 01:30:05.160 --> 01:30:07.240 it's a whole appendix in here. 01:30:07.240 --> 01:30:09.960 And then in last year, Noel Malchesedek, 01:30:09.960 --> 01:30:14.920 with the big binder of the water trails implementation study, 01:30:14.920 --> 01:30:18.920 did this implementation study project 01:30:18.920 --> 01:30:22.560 that we'll go into a little bit more detail in a minute here. 01:30:22.560 --> 01:30:25.880 So in the current situation is that most docks and sites 01:30:25.880 --> 01:30:28.040 they aren't designed for paddlers. 01:30:28.040 --> 01:30:30.760 So like for canoe, you can kind of get in and out 01:30:30.760 --> 01:30:32.660 on a dock here, but if you're on a kayak, 01:30:32.660 --> 01:30:36.160 you got to do a chin up to get out of your boat onto a dock. 01:30:36.160 --> 01:30:37.720 And then other spots around the bay, 01:30:37.720 --> 01:30:39.800 you kind of have to know where they are 01:30:40.960 --> 01:30:43.440 because a lot of them look like that. 01:30:43.440 --> 01:30:45.040 Do you know that you can put your boat in there? 01:30:45.040 --> 01:30:46.200 And most people don't. 01:30:46.200 --> 01:30:51.200 Oops, but the study that was completed last year 01:30:51.920 --> 01:30:55.080 by Noel and our coworker, Chris Lohaffner, 01:30:55.080 --> 01:30:59.040 in partnership with the district, 01:30:59.040 --> 01:31:02.340 looked at some key priority sites around the bay 01:31:02.340 --> 01:31:03.480 for improving access. 01:31:03.480 --> 01:31:07.760 And so this is the Arcata Martian Wildlife Sanctuary spot 01:31:08.800 --> 01:31:12.200 where there's a proposal for an improved dock, 01:31:12.200 --> 01:31:16.960 not where it used to be at the existing boat ramp, 01:31:16.960 --> 01:31:19.600 but on the other end of the parking lot. 01:31:19.600 --> 01:31:23.160 Thank you, Dave, my handy helper over there. 01:31:23.160 --> 01:31:24.000 I just don't want to interrupt, 01:31:24.000 --> 01:31:25.400 but I don't want to confuse people, 01:31:25.400 --> 01:31:28.240 but the district is working with the city 01:31:28.240 --> 01:31:31.040 to replace what is the existing dock 01:31:31.040 --> 01:31:34.440 where Dave's got the thing there, that'll happen soon. 01:31:34.440 --> 01:31:37.280 So this is beyond that. 01:31:37.280 --> 01:31:40.600 So don't get confused when you see them installing adopt, 01:31:40.600 --> 01:31:42.160 it's not that one. 01:31:42.160 --> 01:31:47.160 So for larger craft access to the bay there. 01:31:47.240 --> 01:31:50.000 And then, so it looked at a number of different sites 01:31:50.000 --> 01:31:52.680 around the bay, that was one of them, and fields landing. 01:31:52.680 --> 01:31:55.040 Then I included this one because this is a simple 01:31:55.040 --> 01:31:58.200 modification that we have designs for that can be added 01:31:58.200 --> 01:32:00.360 to a lot of docks around the bay if you find a spot 01:32:00.360 --> 01:32:02.880 that's gonna be out of the way of the motorcraft 01:32:02.880 --> 01:32:05.200 to be able to add a step down facility 01:32:06.520 --> 01:32:09.400 to improve other dock and access sites. 01:32:09.400 --> 01:32:12.080 Then behind you here, you'll see on the wall 01:32:12.080 --> 01:32:15.720 some printouts that, thank you for printing those, 01:32:15.720 --> 01:32:18.360 of aspects of a map and guide, 01:32:18.360 --> 01:32:20.480 and an interpretive sign on the far right 01:32:20.480 --> 01:32:25.280 that is kind of the manifestation of that map and guide 01:32:25.280 --> 01:32:30.280 that would be posted on site to provide lots of safety 01:32:30.720 --> 01:32:34.560 information and paddling tips and access information. 01:32:34.560 --> 01:32:38.440 And when we developed this implementation strategy, 01:32:38.440 --> 01:32:42.440 we put a lot of stock in habitat analysis. 01:32:42.440 --> 01:32:45.400 We overlaid all kinds of threatened endangered species 01:32:45.400 --> 01:32:50.400 information to really check where we were talking about 01:32:50.840 --> 01:32:53.700 pointing people to and where was really appropriate 01:32:53.700 --> 01:32:56.920 and not appropriate to aim people toward 01:32:56.920 --> 01:33:00.880 because we have a significant concern about maintaining 01:33:00.880 --> 01:33:04.400 what is gold to us here, which is our amazing habitat 01:33:04.400 --> 01:33:05.240 in Humboldt Bay. 01:33:05.240 --> 01:33:09.480 So that I should say is in draft form 01:33:09.480 --> 01:33:14.480 and the district and Hawk and others are motivated 01:33:15.400 --> 01:33:18.520 in working toward having this produced. 01:33:18.520 --> 01:33:23.520 We had produced it with the idea that when it was time, 01:33:24.280 --> 01:33:28.040 when you had however many of these newer facilities 01:33:28.040 --> 01:33:30.720 you wanted to be able to indicate them on the map, 01:33:30.720 --> 01:33:32.180 this would be ready to print. 01:33:32.180 --> 01:33:34.040 And the district and everybody's going, 01:33:34.040 --> 01:33:36.000 well, let's just get the thing out there 01:33:36.000 --> 01:33:39.680 because it's, people could use it even if all these things 01:33:39.680 --> 01:33:41.420 aren't quite built or improved yet. 01:33:42.360 --> 01:33:45.200 So that's exciting that that's getting ready 01:33:45.200 --> 01:33:46.840 to hit the streets here. 01:33:46.840 --> 01:33:48.440 I'm not sure exactly the timeline, 01:33:48.440 --> 01:33:50.740 but probably in the next year. 01:33:50.740 --> 01:33:51.580 No, easy. 01:33:51.580 --> 01:33:53.220 Yeah, okay. 01:33:53.220 --> 01:33:58.000 And then just some, this is stuff that Hawk lives and breathes 01:33:58.000 --> 01:34:01.800 that how do people spend money when they go paddling 01:34:01.800 --> 01:34:05.320 and it's all fairly obvious. 01:34:05.320 --> 01:34:10.320 It's not a cheap, you can pick up a basic sit on top 01:34:10.480 --> 01:34:13.640 for a couple hundred bucks, $300. 01:34:13.640 --> 01:34:16.520 And then there's packs out there 01:34:16.520 --> 01:34:17.780 that are worth more than my truck. 01:34:17.780 --> 01:34:21.480 So there's the full range of investment 01:34:21.480 --> 01:34:23.980 that you can make in this sport. 01:34:24.980 --> 01:34:27.560 And there's, I know most people I know have, 01:34:27.560 --> 01:34:29.880 that they're into boating, they've got a lot of them 01:34:29.880 --> 01:34:32.240 for all the different conditions they're interested in 01:34:32.240 --> 01:34:34.560 and areas to boat in. 01:34:34.560 --> 01:34:38.920 So, it's very similar to recreational fishing 01:34:38.920 --> 01:34:42.440 and what Hawk was talking about is capturing that demand 01:34:42.440 --> 01:34:45.040 and that interest that's driving by on 101. 01:34:45.040 --> 01:34:48.680 And also for local folks, it never ceases to amaze me 01:34:48.680 --> 01:34:50.600 how many people haven't been out on the bay 01:34:50.600 --> 01:34:53.400 or in a paddle craft who live here 01:34:53.400 --> 01:34:58.400 and with an easy reach of it and all kinds of folks. 01:34:58.400 --> 01:35:02.440 It's really available to anybody 01:35:02.440 --> 01:35:05.040 and we've even literally looked at making it accessible 01:35:05.040 --> 01:35:07.500 for folks with ADA needs as well. 01:35:09.380 --> 01:35:12.400 So this is some information that Noel found 01:35:12.400 --> 01:35:16.000 an economic impact study in the Northeast 01:35:17.000 --> 01:35:21.360 of what average expenditures by paddlers. 01:35:22.320 --> 01:35:24.520 And there were lots of different factors 01:35:24.520 --> 01:35:27.220 but it's just interesting to see that people might spend 01:35:27.220 --> 01:35:30.760 if they're renting or they're going on a guided trip, 01:35:30.760 --> 01:35:34.800 they're spending, getting close to a thousand dollars. 01:35:34.800 --> 01:35:37.240 And then if they're local day users, obviously, 01:35:37.240 --> 01:35:39.880 they're spending a lot less per trip. 01:35:39.880 --> 01:35:41.560 And then just, I threw this on the bottom too 01:35:41.560 --> 01:35:44.600 that Noel found that San Francisco Bay Area 01:35:44.600 --> 01:35:47.520 water trail system is in their government code 01:35:47.520 --> 01:35:52.520 that all these trail systems have a positive regional 01:35:52.640 --> 01:35:56.200 economic benefit and therefore they want to put emphasis 01:35:56.200 --> 01:35:58.520 into building, maintaining them. 01:36:00.040 --> 01:36:02.120 So let's talk about land trails. 01:36:02.120 --> 01:36:03.520 And I have these pictures up. 01:36:04.520 --> 01:36:05.360 I'm just going. 01:36:05.360 --> 01:36:06.200 If you- 01:36:06.200 --> 01:36:07.040 No, you keep going because I have- 01:36:07.040 --> 01:36:09.920 Yeah, this is where Michael, yeah, so. 01:36:09.920 --> 01:36:11.960 Bring it to the next slide. 01:36:11.960 --> 01:36:15.120 Just stop me and slap me and add on. 01:36:16.400 --> 01:36:18.880 So I have these pictures here because if you travel 01:36:18.880 --> 01:36:20.400 outside Humboldt County, you've been somewhere 01:36:20.400 --> 01:36:22.360 where there is a regional trail system 01:36:22.360 --> 01:36:26.840 that's long distance, multi-use trails. 01:36:26.840 --> 01:36:29.840 There's not a lot of clear stats out there 01:36:29.840 --> 01:36:32.040 about how many miles of trails, 01:36:32.040 --> 01:36:35.760 but there is if they've been converted from railroads 01:36:35.760 --> 01:36:40.440 and in places like Missouri, Michigan, 01:36:40.440 --> 01:36:42.200 lots of places back East where there were zillions 01:36:42.200 --> 01:36:44.440 of miles of railroads and lots of them were abandoned, 01:36:44.440 --> 01:36:48.200 they've turned thousands of miles of them into trails. 01:36:48.200 --> 01:36:49.680 So those are some numbers that I know. 01:36:49.680 --> 01:36:52.680 Like I think it's Wisconsin has 1,500 miles 01:36:52.680 --> 01:36:53.920 of just rail trails. 01:36:54.840 --> 01:36:56.920 And all these places, I'm having my beer 01:36:56.920 --> 01:36:58.520 and eating my seafood in British Columbia 01:36:58.520 --> 01:37:00.560 next to their coastal trail. 01:37:00.560 --> 01:37:05.560 They're renting, they've got the amazing bridge over there 01:37:06.680 --> 01:37:09.040 that is an attraction in itself. 01:37:09.040 --> 01:37:12.040 And I would love to see the Hammond Bridge have, 01:37:12.040 --> 01:37:14.400 you can get that replaced, 01:37:14.400 --> 01:37:16.680 how it'd be like a fish jumping over the river 01:37:16.680 --> 01:37:21.680 or a cow or something, our own really cool bridge. 01:37:22.480 --> 01:37:25.320 But then in Monterey, you can ride between communities 01:37:25.320 --> 01:37:27.720 right next to the highway there on the multi-use trail. 01:37:27.720 --> 01:37:31.280 And then Portland, of course, is Mecca 01:37:31.280 --> 01:37:33.360 for trail systems and biking. 01:37:34.760 --> 01:37:38.440 So this is kind of a rough vision 01:37:38.440 --> 01:37:40.040 of a Humboldt Bay Trail system 01:37:40.040 --> 01:37:42.720 that would be part of what the state is working toward, 01:37:42.720 --> 01:37:44.640 a California coastal trail that's connected 01:37:44.640 --> 01:37:46.720 from one end of the state to the other. 01:37:46.720 --> 01:37:49.000 And this is just the backbone of it. 01:37:49.000 --> 01:37:50.880 The vision is that there are connections 01:37:50.880 --> 01:37:55.880 down to the peninsula and around Table Bluff. 01:37:57.640 --> 01:38:00.160 But there are pieces of this system 01:38:00.160 --> 01:38:02.040 and you can barely see it, 01:38:02.040 --> 01:38:03.640 but there's some websites listed there 01:38:03.640 --> 01:38:05.720 that have been planned that there are, 01:38:05.720 --> 01:38:09.280 for the Arcata Eureka Trail, 01:38:09.280 --> 01:38:14.280 there's a big $75,000 feasibility study document, 01:38:15.520 --> 01:38:18.480 just on that piece, the Annie and Mary Rail Trail. 01:38:18.480 --> 01:38:22.600 There's $160,000 engineering and feasibility study for that. 01:38:22.600 --> 01:38:25.480 I mean, this is just some of the feasibility studies. 01:38:25.480 --> 01:38:27.920 I didn't try to bring them all, 01:38:27.920 --> 01:38:30.920 but there's a lot of research and feasibility 01:38:30.920 --> 01:38:34.160 and engineering planning been done 01:38:34.160 --> 01:38:36.160 around this regional trail system. 01:38:36.160 --> 01:38:38.480 And I'd just like to, if I could hear that interject about, 01:38:38.480 --> 01:38:42.880 because not only, I'm on the board of the Trails Trust, 01:38:42.880 --> 01:38:46.760 but that all started out of the Eureka City Trails Committee 01:38:46.760 --> 01:38:48.040 that I was on. 01:38:48.040 --> 01:38:53.040 And in 2005, we finished the Waterfront Trail 01:38:53.440 --> 01:38:55.680 and Promenade recommendation document 01:38:55.680 --> 01:38:59.880 that really covers all of the waterfront in Eureka proper. 01:38:59.880 --> 01:39:00.720 I've got a slide about that. 01:39:00.720 --> 01:39:03.280 Okay, about here, I know. 01:39:03.280 --> 01:39:06.500 But I just wanted to give, so out of the, 01:39:06.500 --> 01:39:09.580 when the document was finished, 01:39:09.580 --> 01:39:12.660 the Eureka City Trails Committee was, 01:39:12.660 --> 01:39:16.860 that was our prime project, was dissolved 01:39:16.860 --> 01:39:18.140 and we started the Trails Trust, 01:39:18.140 --> 01:39:20.500 but at the same time, the city opened a seat 01:39:20.500 --> 01:39:23.820 on the Parks and Rec and Open Space Commission 01:39:23.820 --> 01:39:26.420 for a trail seat was the first time. 01:39:26.420 --> 01:39:31.420 And that was in 2004 or six, I can't remember. 01:39:31.900 --> 01:39:33.980 And since then, we have another trail seat 01:39:33.980 --> 01:39:36.860 because the focus for the Eureka City Parks and Rec 01:39:36.860 --> 01:39:39.460 and Open Space Commission has sort of changed. 01:39:39.460 --> 01:39:42.180 I mean, they're doing really good in recreation. 01:39:42.180 --> 01:39:44.820 They provide a lot for a lot of kids 01:39:44.820 --> 01:39:46.960 and a lot of day camps and stuff. 01:39:46.960 --> 01:39:50.100 But in addition, they're realizing the, 01:39:50.100 --> 01:39:52.020 because of the public participation 01:39:52.020 --> 01:39:54.420 in the Parks and Rec Commission, 01:39:54.420 --> 01:39:57.580 people wanted more access to the waterfront, to the bay, 01:39:57.580 --> 01:39:58.940 and they wanted more trails. 01:39:58.940 --> 01:40:00.240 And we'd get that over and over. 01:40:00.240 --> 01:40:02.820 And so we're changing our focus slightly 01:40:02.820 --> 01:40:04.580 to include that goal. 01:40:04.580 --> 01:40:06.980 And it's been an education process for everybody, 01:40:06.980 --> 01:40:08.660 including the people on the city staff, 01:40:08.660 --> 01:40:13.060 like Mike and Tom Coyle, of being able to go, 01:40:13.060 --> 01:40:14.720 well, you know, we've never thought about this. 01:40:14.720 --> 01:40:18.660 We've never thought about the waterfront in the same way. 01:40:18.660 --> 01:40:21.420 I mean, we have the boardwalk, but beyond that, 01:40:21.420 --> 01:40:24.420 what are the rest of the pieces that connect it all together 01:40:24.420 --> 01:40:26.500 and generally get into some more of that in a minute. 01:40:26.500 --> 01:40:27.940 But it's just been a great focus. 01:40:27.940 --> 01:40:31.340 And since that time, developed the plan 01:40:31.340 --> 01:40:36.340 and in processes, a new multi-use trail 01:40:36.980 --> 01:40:40.620 from the foot of Truesdale to Herrick, 01:40:40.620 --> 01:40:41.700 Palm Road, basically, 01:40:41.700 --> 01:40:44.680 running through the Elk River Wildlife Area. 01:40:46.940 --> 01:40:48.700 You can read from Wildlife Area. 01:40:48.700 --> 01:40:53.700 And that will be a multi-use solid surface trail 01:40:53.780 --> 01:40:57.180 with facilities on both ends and parking, 01:40:57.180 --> 01:41:00.300 including the trailhead at the foot of Truesdale, 01:41:00.300 --> 01:41:02.180 which is right next to the mall. 01:41:02.180 --> 01:41:03.660 There will be, hopefully, 01:41:04.700 --> 01:41:07.260 watercraft launching facility at that spot also. 01:41:07.260 --> 01:41:09.660 So there will be a connection between the two. 01:41:09.660 --> 01:41:11.940 And eventually, that trail will be able 01:41:11.940 --> 01:41:13.460 to be a recreation facility 01:41:13.460 --> 01:41:17.880 and also a transportation corridor for the community. 01:41:18.940 --> 01:41:23.640 Yeah, and I think that, you know, 01:41:23.640 --> 01:41:27.720 what this also is showing in this regional vision is that, 01:41:27.720 --> 01:41:31.120 and all these feasibility studies, 01:41:31.120 --> 01:41:34.280 what we're doing is getting ready to leverage, 01:41:34.280 --> 01:41:36.320 you know, construction dollars here. 01:41:36.320 --> 01:41:39.640 And some of the things that we're trying to get through 01:41:39.640 --> 01:41:42.480 to be able to do that is just kind of 01:41:42.480 --> 01:41:44.240 jurisdictional no-man's land, 01:41:44.240 --> 01:41:47.240 getting all the agencies to start to work together. 01:41:47.240 --> 01:41:49.360 And there's some projects that are just now 01:41:49.360 --> 01:41:50.680 starting to be able to do that. 01:41:50.680 --> 01:41:51.960 We've got all the plans in place. 01:41:51.960 --> 01:41:55.080 We just need that kind of administrative mechanism, really, 01:41:55.080 --> 01:41:59.440 to be able to get the final environmental, you know, 01:41:59.440 --> 01:42:03.240 compliance done and then attract the construction dollars. 01:42:03.240 --> 01:42:05.320 Like, you know, the fire hose that got turned on 01:42:05.320 --> 01:42:07.880 with the stimulus, 01:42:07.880 --> 01:42:09.860 if we'd have had some of those pieces in place, 01:42:09.860 --> 01:42:13.160 a lot of this whole system could have been up for, 01:42:13.160 --> 01:42:17.280 you know, getting stimulus dollars in place to build them. 01:42:17.280 --> 01:42:18.640 So this is really that, you know, 01:42:18.640 --> 01:42:20.420 getting burgers around the Bay. 01:42:21.480 --> 01:42:24.280 You know, this is that kind of system. 01:42:24.280 --> 01:42:26.400 We have funding from the Coastal Conservancy 01:42:26.400 --> 01:42:28.400 to master plan the coastal trail 01:42:28.400 --> 01:42:30.020 from one end of Humboldt County to the other, 01:42:30.020 --> 01:42:32.500 but it's been frozen since last December 01:42:32.500 --> 01:42:34.240 because of the bond freeze. 01:42:34.240 --> 01:42:37.160 So, and we're looking at maybe in the next month, 01:42:37.160 --> 01:42:40.120 you know, being able to restart that process. 01:42:40.120 --> 01:42:42.440 And just so you can see the bigger picture, 01:42:42.440 --> 01:42:44.880 we're looking at seven regional trail systems 01:42:44.880 --> 01:42:45.960 around Humboldt County. 01:42:45.960 --> 01:42:47.380 And Tiffany, sitting behind you, 01:42:47.380 --> 01:42:51.520 is leading a county regional trail master plan 01:42:51.520 --> 01:42:54.520 for Humboldt County Association of Governments right now 01:42:54.520 --> 01:42:58.540 that is looking at these regional trail systems. 01:42:58.540 --> 01:43:00.800 And I just want to point out that a lot of, 01:43:00.800 --> 01:43:02.800 most of my emphasis is actually not recreation, 01:43:02.800 --> 01:43:03.800 it's transportation. 01:43:03.800 --> 01:43:07.760 It's making sure that we have basic access 01:43:07.760 --> 01:43:09.840 for everyone of every means. 01:43:09.840 --> 01:43:13.680 And that means being able to walk or bike, basically. 01:43:13.680 --> 01:43:15.580 So if we have a system, 01:43:15.580 --> 01:43:18.340 an active transportation system that works, 01:43:18.340 --> 01:43:20.720 it also works for recreation. 01:43:20.720 --> 01:43:23.720 And it's very attractive system for recreation. 01:43:23.720 --> 01:43:25.400 But our main streets are highways, 01:43:25.400 --> 01:43:28.560 and these are places where we also have a lot of commerce 01:43:28.560 --> 01:43:29.760 and we have people on their feet. 01:43:29.760 --> 01:43:32.320 And that thing that I passed around is really about that, 01:43:32.320 --> 01:43:34.280 about how do you get people on their feet? 01:43:34.280 --> 01:43:35.920 How do you attract them out of their cars 01:43:35.920 --> 01:43:38.440 instead of just driving through downtown Eureka 01:43:38.440 --> 01:43:41.320 and keep them and help them spend more money 01:43:41.320 --> 01:43:42.680 in your community? 01:43:42.680 --> 01:43:44.280 And this is, these types of things 01:43:44.280 --> 01:43:46.160 also meet many, many objectives 01:43:46.160 --> 01:43:48.480 that you'll hear next from Anne Lindsey 01:43:48.480 --> 01:43:52.080 about this every dollar spent on active transportation 01:43:52.080 --> 01:43:55.000 and recreation facility is also spent on public health, 01:43:55.000 --> 01:43:58.880 economic development, greenhouse gas emissions reductions, 01:43:58.880 --> 01:44:01.480 shifting our modes of travel. 01:44:01.480 --> 01:44:02.800 Here's some examples. 01:44:02.800 --> 01:44:05.600 A lot of you are probably familiar with the Hammond Trail. 01:44:05.600 --> 01:44:07.360 I should have brought our little maps 01:44:07.360 --> 01:44:09.020 that we have on our website. 01:44:09.020 --> 01:44:11.200 But up in the top corner right, 01:44:11.200 --> 01:44:14.920 we have a whole system of beautiful interpretive signs 01:44:14.920 --> 01:44:17.040 and kiosks and directional signs 01:44:17.040 --> 01:44:19.400 from roads and highways to be able to point people 01:44:19.400 --> 01:44:22.600 to the trail and then intrigue them onto 01:44:22.600 --> 01:44:23.760 and along the trail. 01:44:23.760 --> 01:44:26.400 And they've been sitting because of the bond freeze. 01:44:26.400 --> 01:44:28.040 We haven't been able to install them yet. 01:44:28.040 --> 01:44:30.280 So hopefully pretty soon, 01:44:30.280 --> 01:44:32.920 the Hammond Trail will leap out at you 01:44:32.920 --> 01:44:35.400 instead of having to know where to go find it. 01:44:35.400 --> 01:44:37.520 I see those poor bicyclists on the freeway. 01:44:37.520 --> 01:44:39.800 Oh yeah, you want to tell them it's just. 01:44:39.800 --> 01:44:41.400 I know, I know, all the time. 01:44:41.400 --> 01:44:42.960 Pretty soon they'll know. 01:44:42.960 --> 01:44:44.800 And I have this construction photo here 01:44:44.800 --> 01:44:47.840 because these are big construction projects. 01:44:47.840 --> 01:44:49.120 These are roads. 01:44:49.120 --> 01:44:52.200 And it takes just about what it takes to build a road. 01:44:52.200 --> 01:44:54.680 So there's a whole, and I'll get into that in a minute, 01:44:54.680 --> 01:44:56.080 the economics of that. 01:44:56.080 --> 01:44:58.360 Humboldt Bay Trail is really the trail everybody wants. 01:44:58.360 --> 01:45:01.200 I mean, I go do meetings in Garberville and Willow Creek 01:45:01.200 --> 01:45:04.320 and they all talk about how they want a trail around the bay 01:45:04.320 --> 01:45:06.120 as a big trail priority. 01:45:08.120 --> 01:45:10.800 So that's really, that's the gem of the system. 01:45:10.800 --> 01:45:14.880 And Arcata is moving forward with their piece of it. 01:45:14.880 --> 01:45:16.960 They just awarded a contract 01:45:16.960 --> 01:45:18.720 that's funded by the Coastal Conservancy 01:45:18.720 --> 01:45:21.000 to the Winsor and Kelly team, 01:45:21.000 --> 01:45:23.200 who's going to be looking at design alternatives 01:45:23.200 --> 01:45:25.800 between the skate park and Brokhead Marsh. 01:45:25.800 --> 01:45:28.640 They're going to be finishing that in December. 01:45:28.640 --> 01:45:31.560 So that's really the pioneering effort to figure out 01:45:31.560 --> 01:45:34.520 how the heck to fit this trail in, 01:45:34.520 --> 01:45:38.520 shoe-horned it in between wetlands, highways, railroads. 01:45:38.520 --> 01:45:40.040 You name it, it's got challenges, 01:45:40.040 --> 01:45:42.120 but they're going to figure it out. 01:45:42.120 --> 01:45:43.320 I have every faith. 01:45:43.320 --> 01:45:44.960 What Mike was talking about a minute ago 01:45:44.960 --> 01:45:48.480 is Eureka's waterfront trail in Promenade, 01:45:49.400 --> 01:45:51.480 and it's up on the internet. 01:45:51.480 --> 01:45:52.880 You can go look at it. 01:45:52.880 --> 01:45:55.320 It's a six mile waterfront trail, 01:45:55.320 --> 01:45:58.880 and here's one of the planning maps in that document 01:45:58.880 --> 01:46:00.680 that if you've wondered why the heck 01:46:00.680 --> 01:46:01.960 there's a trail behind Target, 01:46:01.960 --> 01:46:04.960 it's because there's a vision for connecting 01:46:04.960 --> 01:46:08.200 that entire trail system around the six mile waterfront. 01:46:08.200 --> 01:46:11.680 And just to interject, we were just a couple weeks ago, 01:46:11.680 --> 01:46:15.040 the Parks and Rec Commission took a tour out 01:46:15.040 --> 01:46:17.640 with the city staff and looked at all these sites 01:46:17.640 --> 01:46:20.360 one more time just to get everybody again familiar. 01:46:20.360 --> 01:46:23.360 And there is a lot of movement to finish this, 01:46:23.360 --> 01:46:25.760 get the stretch from Target underneath 101 01:46:25.760 --> 01:46:29.240 because that's a big important thing to get people 01:46:29.240 --> 01:46:32.000 a way to get to the waterfront 01:46:32.000 --> 01:46:34.560 without having to cross 4th and 5th Street. 01:46:34.560 --> 01:46:36.720 And eventually the trail, 01:46:36.720 --> 01:46:39.600 as it's going off the page in the bottom here, 01:46:39.600 --> 01:46:43.760 heading south, will come out behind the Beret Center, 01:46:44.600 --> 01:46:46.800 up there, go down behind the, 01:46:49.440 --> 01:46:51.080 can't think of the name of the... 01:46:52.280 --> 01:46:53.120 It's Marsh Road. 01:46:53.120 --> 01:46:53.960 The RV park. 01:46:53.960 --> 01:46:54.880 No, the RV park. 01:46:54.880 --> 01:46:55.720 The old F-5. 01:46:55.720 --> 01:46:56.560 Shoreline or whatever it's called. 01:46:56.560 --> 01:46:57.400 Shoreline, yeah. 01:46:57.400 --> 01:47:01.120 And so really people coming from that part of Eureka 01:47:01.120 --> 01:47:02.880 near Myrtle Avenue, S Street, 01:47:02.880 --> 01:47:07.200 will be able to get down and pass underneath the freeway 01:47:07.200 --> 01:47:08.800 eventually at one point and go all the way down 01:47:08.800 --> 01:47:09.640 to the waterfront. 01:47:09.640 --> 01:47:11.440 It'll be a nice, wonderful connecting trail 01:47:11.440 --> 01:47:13.440 that will provide not only recreation, 01:47:13.440 --> 01:47:16.120 access to that Puerto Rican Marsh area 01:47:16.120 --> 01:47:17.760 that is pretty inaccessible now, 01:47:17.760 --> 01:47:21.720 other than the water and also around to the waterfront. 01:47:22.720 --> 01:47:25.440 And so pieces, this is just like the Hammond Trail. 01:47:25.440 --> 01:47:27.320 A lot of these things have to happen in segments. 01:47:27.320 --> 01:47:30.360 And so the Target piece is a good example 01:47:30.360 --> 01:47:33.000 of if you have your plan in place, 01:47:33.000 --> 01:47:35.520 when those developments happen along the waterfront, 01:47:35.520 --> 01:47:37.040 it's just part of the development. 01:47:37.040 --> 01:47:40.280 And I've talked a lot with Security National over the years 01:47:40.280 --> 01:47:42.840 about their piece of property up there, 01:47:42.840 --> 01:47:46.240 by the blocks, and about their vision for, 01:47:46.240 --> 01:47:49.400 they have a strong trail vision with all their projects. 01:47:49.400 --> 01:47:52.200 And then pieces of it are public, 01:47:52.200 --> 01:47:56.440 underneath the Caltrans Bridge, funded by public dollars. 01:47:56.440 --> 01:47:59.280 So it's a network and it has to have 01:47:59.280 --> 01:48:04.160 a dedicated jurisdiction who's gonna go after these pieces 01:48:04.160 --> 01:48:06.320 and make them happen when those opportunities 01:48:06.320 --> 01:48:07.800 come proactively. 01:48:07.800 --> 01:48:09.160 And that's one thing we do on the, 01:48:09.160 --> 01:48:10.880 again, go back to parts of our commission, 01:48:10.880 --> 01:48:15.120 but we do try to get notice when something's coming up 01:48:15.120 --> 01:48:17.600 that's in proximity to where there might be a trail. 01:48:17.600 --> 01:48:19.400 So at least we can have that dialogue 01:48:19.400 --> 01:48:22.040 with whoever the developer property owner is at that time 01:48:22.040 --> 01:48:24.000 and see if they can create the interest 01:48:24.000 --> 01:48:27.440 in using the same information that Jen provides here. 01:48:27.440 --> 01:48:28.880 This is a really exciting project. 01:48:28.880 --> 01:48:30.520 We've been working on for a long time. 01:48:30.520 --> 01:48:32.480 Dave worked on aspects of this, 01:48:33.400 --> 01:48:35.840 I think even before he, when you were at the city. 01:48:35.840 --> 01:48:36.920 Yeah, absolutely. 01:48:36.920 --> 01:48:41.640 Yeah, and this is an Elk River Wildlife area in the city. 01:48:41.640 --> 01:48:43.720 It's right behind Pearsons. 01:48:43.720 --> 01:48:46.760 It's one of the, I hear one of the best places 01:48:46.760 --> 01:48:48.640 to do a lot of birding in the Bay. 01:48:49.880 --> 01:48:52.680 It used to be a little stinkier than it is now. 01:48:52.680 --> 01:48:54.800 I think there's a few less stinky things going on 01:48:54.800 --> 01:48:56.560 in the Bay that hit this spot. 01:48:56.560 --> 01:48:59.800 But it's an incredible public access. 01:48:59.800 --> 01:49:02.040 It's paddling in the estuary. 01:49:02.040 --> 01:49:06.200 And what's proposed here is there's an existing trail 01:49:06.200 --> 01:49:08.400 that's not paved, it's difficult to get a bike on 01:49:08.400 --> 01:49:11.680 because of a maze. 01:49:11.680 --> 01:49:14.440 But what's proposed is extending that 01:49:14.440 --> 01:49:16.760 and making it a multi-use trail from Pound Road 01:49:16.760 --> 01:49:20.160 at the bottom there up to Truesdale basically, 01:49:20.160 --> 01:49:23.720 and adding VISTA points and improved visitor access points. 01:49:23.720 --> 01:49:26.440 PG&E just gave $230,000 to the project. 01:49:26.440 --> 01:49:31.080 And the city have a $1.4 million River Parkways proposal in. 01:49:31.080 --> 01:49:33.760 It's bond funded, so it's probably gonna get shelved 01:49:33.760 --> 01:49:37.000 until the state has some more bond money 01:49:37.000 --> 01:49:38.040 to throw out projects like this. 01:49:38.040 --> 01:49:39.560 But it's ranking high so far. 01:49:39.560 --> 01:49:43.640 So that's a block off 101. 01:49:43.640 --> 01:49:47.360 That's right behind the mall. 01:49:47.360 --> 01:49:51.280 And it's an easy spot to drive a lot of folks to 01:49:51.280 --> 01:49:53.280 and manage their access. 01:49:53.280 --> 01:49:54.680 And there are other parts around the Bay 01:49:54.680 --> 01:49:57.640 where you don't want a lot of people visiting 01:49:57.640 --> 01:50:00.160 more sensitive places, but this is a place 01:50:00.160 --> 01:50:02.400 where we can really manage folks' access. 01:50:02.400 --> 01:50:04.960 And there are a number of motels along there 01:50:04.960 --> 01:50:07.920 that West Western is a great example. 01:50:07.920 --> 01:50:10.600 It's gonna be right across the train tracks from it 01:50:10.600 --> 01:50:13.680 and be great access for visitors 01:50:13.680 --> 01:50:15.880 to be able to hit that trail. 01:50:15.880 --> 01:50:17.320 It'd be wonderful one day when they'd be able 01:50:17.320 --> 01:50:20.080 to hit that trail and go all the way up to the boardwalk. 01:50:20.080 --> 01:50:23.160 So getting into the economic benefits, 01:50:23.160 --> 01:50:25.800 I like this picture because it just for me 01:50:25.800 --> 01:50:30.800 is all about why families love living within the reach 01:50:30.800 --> 01:50:32.640 of, you know, there's affordable houses 01:50:32.640 --> 01:50:34.120 within the reach of the hammond trail 01:50:34.120 --> 01:50:36.400 and look what you got on the hammond trail. 01:50:36.400 --> 01:50:37.720 It's pretty amazing. 01:50:37.720 --> 01:50:39.600 And this is just started the little steps 01:50:39.600 --> 01:50:41.040 down to the beach down there. 01:50:41.040 --> 01:50:44.560 So, you know, making sure that we can retain 01:50:44.560 --> 01:50:47.120 and invite families and businesses to this area 01:50:47.120 --> 01:50:50.360 to me is a big part of regional trail system, 01:50:50.360 --> 01:50:51.800 water trail systems. 01:50:51.800 --> 01:50:55.160 You know, when Oracle is looking here 01:50:55.160 --> 01:50:56.720 like they did however many years ago 01:50:56.720 --> 01:50:59.560 and they're looking at what is it that this place has 01:50:59.560 --> 01:51:01.360 for my employees, what are they, you know, 01:51:01.360 --> 01:51:04.720 this is one of the things that could speak to them. 01:51:04.720 --> 01:51:08.480 I'll go over some data about construction jobs 01:51:08.480 --> 01:51:10.520 associated with these projects in a minute. 01:51:11.800 --> 01:51:14.280 Incredible opportunities for visitors 01:51:14.280 --> 01:51:16.480 and we have so much here and they just fly by 01:51:16.480 --> 01:51:19.520 because they really don't know what's here 01:51:19.520 --> 01:51:22.120 but there's also way more that we could offer. 01:51:22.120 --> 01:51:25.080 There's just incredible potential 01:51:25.080 --> 01:51:27.200 if we have a connected network. 01:51:27.200 --> 01:51:29.760 Hammond trail is five and a half miles long. 01:51:29.760 --> 01:51:33.600 But if you think of, if you can go from Moonstone beach 01:51:33.600 --> 01:51:38.160 to Table Bluff or out to go swimming in Blue Lake, 01:51:38.160 --> 01:51:42.920 you know, on a trail, that's a pretty powerful package 01:51:42.920 --> 01:51:44.400 to offer folks. 01:51:44.400 --> 01:51:46.360 And then, you know, one thing I want to mention 01:51:46.360 --> 01:51:48.040 is that there's lots of studies out there 01:51:48.040 --> 01:51:50.440 that say that these types of facilities 01:51:50.440 --> 01:51:53.320 cover or exceed any maintenance and operations costs 01:51:53.320 --> 01:51:54.520 that are associated with them. 01:51:54.520 --> 01:51:57.520 So there's lots of different types of income 01:51:57.520 --> 01:51:59.440 that are generated from these facilities. 01:51:59.440 --> 01:52:02.360 There's direct types of income of people buying things 01:52:02.360 --> 01:52:03.920 that are associated with trail going 01:52:03.920 --> 01:52:05.960 but there's also lots of studies that show 01:52:05.960 --> 01:52:08.720 that as people go buy businesses on these trails, 01:52:08.720 --> 01:52:11.160 those businesses experience lots of increase, 01:52:11.160 --> 01:52:14.960 you know, significant increased revenue. 01:52:14.960 --> 01:52:17.520 It's like a form of advertisement, 01:52:17.520 --> 01:52:19.160 just being next to a trail. 01:52:19.160 --> 01:52:21.760 Lots of communities, the businesses near trails 01:52:21.760 --> 01:52:23.840 have turned to face them, like in Monterey 01:52:23.840 --> 01:52:25.520 and San Los Obispo. 01:52:25.520 --> 01:52:30.160 And, but, what County Public Works Director Tom Matson says 01:52:30.160 --> 01:52:32.080 is like, that's lovely. 01:52:32.080 --> 01:52:34.160 But all that tax revenue is in the city. 01:52:35.400 --> 01:52:38.480 And most of the trail is in the county. 01:52:38.480 --> 01:52:40.720 Like, you know, where if you look at this map, 01:52:42.440 --> 01:52:44.160 most of it falls in county jurisdictions. 01:52:44.160 --> 01:52:46.320 So those are some issues we have to deal with. 01:52:46.320 --> 01:52:48.400 He's like, well, they're gonna get all this additional 01:52:48.400 --> 01:52:50.480 sales tax revenue, I gotta maintain the trail. 01:52:50.480 --> 01:52:51.480 That's a problem. 01:52:51.480 --> 01:52:52.480 So that's one thing. 01:52:52.480 --> 01:52:54.200 We're starting to get all these agencies together 01:52:54.200 --> 01:52:57.240 to talk about an MOU for collectively managing 01:52:57.240 --> 01:52:58.560 these trail systems and that's one thing 01:52:58.560 --> 01:53:00.120 we're gonna have to deal with. 01:53:00.120 --> 01:53:01.400 And then we're just, you know, 01:53:01.400 --> 01:53:03.120 you can see how much money we're leveraging. 01:53:03.120 --> 01:53:05.320 We're leveraging a lot of money in studies 01:53:05.320 --> 01:53:07.960 and there's a hell of a lot more money to be leveraged 01:53:07.960 --> 01:53:09.560 if we can get these things built. 01:53:11.040 --> 01:53:12.840 And I'll come back to that one, actually. 01:53:12.840 --> 01:53:15.560 I'm gonna just go to this construction jobs, 01:53:15.560 --> 01:53:17.600 the Hammond trail example. 01:53:17.600 --> 01:53:19.840 For half of the year in 2007, 01:53:19.840 --> 01:53:23.200 we hired 15 different contractor firms. 01:53:23.200 --> 01:53:26.240 About 50 of their staff were working on this project. 01:53:26.240 --> 01:53:29.080 We had 35 CCC members out there. 01:53:29.080 --> 01:53:30.320 They were so inspiring. 01:53:30.320 --> 01:53:32.560 They all learned a new trade 01:53:32.560 --> 01:53:34.400 and were super fired up about it. 01:53:34.400 --> 01:53:36.040 The contractors were so funny. 01:53:36.040 --> 01:53:36.880 They didn't wanna leave. 01:53:36.880 --> 01:53:38.280 They said this was our favorite project. 01:53:38.280 --> 01:53:39.640 It was so fun to work on. 01:53:39.640 --> 01:53:41.960 Whoven and Miller Farms and all these guys. 01:53:41.960 --> 01:53:44.720 They loved going out and working on a trail project. 01:53:44.720 --> 01:53:47.600 We had five staff at RCAA for longer than, 01:53:47.600 --> 01:53:49.600 you know, for a year or more. 01:53:49.600 --> 01:53:51.200 People still working on this project, 01:53:51.200 --> 01:53:52.880 like the signage elements of it. 01:53:53.840 --> 01:53:57.040 Half an FTE in County Public Works Department, 01:53:57.040 --> 01:53:59.640 at least $500,000 in materials purchases 01:53:59.640 --> 01:54:01.840 and mostly those are local purchases. 01:54:01.840 --> 01:54:06.040 So that's some real tangible economic input 01:54:06.040 --> 01:54:08.680 into the economy that if we can leverage these grants, 01:54:08.680 --> 01:54:10.800 these are real jobs that we're talking about 01:54:10.800 --> 01:54:12.880 for these types of trail systems. 01:54:13.920 --> 01:54:15.360 There's lots of studies out there 01:54:15.360 --> 01:54:18.520 that show that trails have a positive effect 01:54:18.520 --> 01:54:22.400 on property values, bringing new money to local economy, 01:54:22.400 --> 01:54:27.400 increased real estate sales significantly near trails, 01:54:29.160 --> 01:54:31.920 and that businesses expand 01:54:31.920 --> 01:54:35.480 or experience increased sales near trails. 01:54:35.480 --> 01:54:36.520 And then just lots of data 01:54:36.520 --> 01:54:39.160 about how much people actually spend. 01:54:39.160 --> 01:54:42.160 And then one thing I would add about that, 01:54:42.160 --> 01:54:44.160 that I didn't put on that slide, 01:54:44.160 --> 01:54:47.800 is that for every dollar of investment in bike ped trails, 01:54:47.800 --> 01:54:51.880 you get $2.94 in direct medical benefit. 01:54:51.880 --> 01:54:53.000 And that's a study that was done 01:54:53.000 --> 01:54:54.760 by a whole host of PhDs, MDs, 01:54:54.760 --> 01:54:57.040 and masters in public health. 01:54:57.040 --> 01:54:59.520 So yeah, no, that's in a segment. 01:54:59.520 --> 01:55:01.400 But yeah, I just wanna say 01:55:01.400 --> 01:55:06.400 that that's part of the economic benefits of these facilities 01:55:06.800 --> 01:55:08.680 and they're totally in demand. 01:55:08.680 --> 01:55:11.040 I took this picture in BC 01:55:11.040 --> 01:55:14.280 and all the cool new condos and housing units 01:55:14.280 --> 01:55:17.000 are all going in right next to their trail systems. 01:55:17.000 --> 01:55:18.640 They have these amazing trail systems. 01:55:18.640 --> 01:55:20.600 It's really a lot like riding around here 01:55:20.600 --> 01:55:23.120 because it's a very similar vegetation. 01:55:23.120 --> 01:55:24.520 And it just got me really wistful. 01:55:24.520 --> 01:55:26.320 I was like, oh my gosh, so amazing. 01:55:26.320 --> 01:55:28.600 It's like riding down the Annie and Mary under the alders 01:55:28.600 --> 01:55:32.640 and the maples and over these big old trestles. 01:55:32.640 --> 01:55:35.760 But you're up in Victoria, BC, 01:55:35.760 --> 01:55:38.080 but that's where the developers wanna build. 01:55:38.080 --> 01:55:41.080 And in Vancouver, BC, the waterfront developers 01:55:41.080 --> 01:55:43.440 are battling each other by trying to style 01:55:43.440 --> 01:55:45.960 and trick out their part of the waterfront trail the best 01:55:45.960 --> 01:55:49.020 so that you wanna invest in their project. 01:55:49.020 --> 01:55:50.240 It's pretty amazing. 01:55:50.240 --> 01:55:53.800 And so this is born out locally in Arcata, 01:55:53.800 --> 01:55:55.820 a study that the city did. 01:55:55.820 --> 01:55:57.680 Trails for recreation and transportation 01:55:57.680 --> 01:56:00.680 were residents number one priority. 01:56:00.680 --> 01:56:02.840 So, and that's how the city's really putting 01:56:02.840 --> 01:56:05.320 a lot of energy into that effort. 01:56:05.320 --> 01:56:09.800 So again, this back, this is just winding up. 01:56:09.800 --> 01:56:11.400 I don't know if I have any other. 01:56:11.400 --> 01:56:16.080 There's some resources. 01:56:16.080 --> 01:56:18.400 If you guys want some of these websites, 01:56:18.400 --> 01:56:22.400 there's the water trail study that Noelle and Chris finished 01:56:22.400 --> 01:56:24.840 last year and worked with people like Hawk 01:56:24.840 --> 01:56:26.520 and the district on. 01:56:26.520 --> 01:56:28.440 That's available on our website. 01:56:28.440 --> 01:56:31.760 I don't think the draft map is there, 01:56:31.760 --> 01:56:34.080 but there's a huge tome of trails 01:56:34.080 --> 01:56:36.360 and economic development information available 01:56:36.360 --> 01:56:38.900 at the americantrails.org site, 01:56:38.900 --> 01:56:41.740 which that organization is based in Reading. 01:56:42.720 --> 01:56:45.680 And then there's lots of trail feasibility studies. 01:56:45.680 --> 01:56:48.120 Oh, you know, one actually last thing I wanna mention 01:56:48.120 --> 01:56:50.760 about bringing money into the county is that 01:56:50.760 --> 01:56:53.960 we and pretty much all the cities, the county, 01:56:53.960 --> 01:56:56.600 and most of the tribes in Caltrans are working on 01:56:56.600 --> 01:57:00.080 bringing $50 million in active transportation investments 01:57:00.080 --> 01:57:00.920 to Humboldt County. 01:57:00.920 --> 01:57:05.320 And this is available on the trails trust.org slash HP3 01:57:05.320 --> 01:57:06.800 website. 01:57:06.800 --> 01:57:08.720 It's called Humboldt People Powered Pathways. 01:57:08.720 --> 01:57:12.040 And it's part of the federal transportation bill 01:57:12.040 --> 01:57:13.680 reauthorization. 01:57:13.680 --> 01:57:17.760 We are very focused on making sure that Humboldt County 01:57:17.760 --> 01:57:21.680 is included in that transportation bill reauthorization 01:57:21.680 --> 01:57:23.960 and getting $50 million to invest 01:57:23.960 --> 01:57:26.000 in an active transportation system, 01:57:26.000 --> 01:57:28.120 not pieces built here and there, 01:57:28.120 --> 01:57:31.200 but actual system investment. 01:57:31.200 --> 01:57:34.160 So that's probably gonna be an ongoing kind of 01:57:34.160 --> 01:57:35.440 longer term process. 01:57:35.440 --> 01:57:38.640 Because what I'm watching happen in DC is that 01:57:38.640 --> 01:57:41.160 they're pushing off this transportation bill 01:57:41.160 --> 01:57:43.200 reauthorization to really focus on things like 01:57:43.200 --> 01:57:44.800 healthcare reform and stuff like that. 01:57:44.800 --> 01:57:47.880 So, but, you know, 01:57:49.360 --> 01:57:52.200 that's definitely a golden egg 01:57:52.200 --> 01:57:54.160 if we can bring that to this community. 01:57:54.160 --> 01:57:57.680 If $1 million at the Hammond Trail got us that list of jobs, 01:57:57.680 --> 01:58:01.120 we can imagine what $50 million would be able to bring. 01:58:01.120 --> 01:58:03.120 And the New York Times just featured Portland 01:58:03.120 --> 01:58:06.000 and they said they spent about $10 million 01:58:06.000 --> 01:58:07.960 on trail infrastructure 01:58:07.960 --> 01:58:10.760 and they're reaping many, many fold of benefits. 01:58:10.760 --> 01:58:12.520 And you can actually get off an airplane 01:58:12.520 --> 01:58:14.320 at the Portland Airport 01:58:14.320 --> 01:58:17.800 and get on a style trail system right there. 01:58:17.800 --> 01:58:21.960 And that's, so I mean, it really is, it's a... 01:58:21.960 --> 01:58:24.040 You can do that at the Arcadia Airport too. 01:58:24.040 --> 01:58:28.000 There we go. 01:58:28.000 --> 01:58:30.120 Let's entertain a couple of questions and you guys, 01:58:30.120 --> 01:58:32.360 Mike and Jennifer can handle them the way they like. 01:58:32.360 --> 01:58:33.280 Pete? 01:58:33.280 --> 01:58:38.280 What code or tax conflicts do you see existing 01:58:40.160 --> 01:58:45.160 or what modifications of code or tax issues 01:58:46.160 --> 01:58:50.160 might be necessary to consider? 01:58:50.160 --> 01:58:55.160 For investment in the infrastructure, 01:58:57.200 --> 01:59:00.600 like the city of Arcadia increased their sales tax 01:59:00.600 --> 01:59:02.400 so that they can have money available 01:59:02.400 --> 01:59:03.840 for investing in projects like this. 01:59:03.840 --> 01:59:04.680 Is that what you're asking? 01:59:04.680 --> 01:59:07.840 Well, no, sometimes code conflicts with music 01:59:09.560 --> 01:59:14.560 or it's necessary to create a tax, 01:59:15.400 --> 01:59:18.520 either considerations or modifications 01:59:18.520 --> 01:59:21.480 so that you're not penalizing people for doing it 01:59:21.480 --> 01:59:23.440 or you incentivize. 01:59:23.440 --> 01:59:26.280 And that same thing could be said of code 01:59:26.280 --> 01:59:31.120 because if you get the code in general updated 01:59:31.120 --> 01:59:34.320 to allow consideration, then it's not a piecemeal thing 01:59:35.640 --> 01:59:39.200 you talked about for other projects. 01:59:39.200 --> 01:59:42.720 So do you see any issues there? 01:59:42.720 --> 01:59:46.920 Now, this really doesn't apply to the district here, 01:59:46.920 --> 01:59:49.320 to the Harbor district, because we're talking 01:59:49.320 --> 01:59:51.240 in a different footprint for most of them. 01:59:51.240 --> 01:59:52.320 Well, that's one thing I think 01:59:52.320 --> 01:59:56.360 that the County Trails Master Plan is gonna be looking at. 01:59:56.360 --> 02:00:00.800 I think not so much code, it's actual functional ability 02:00:00.800 --> 02:00:04.280 for multi-jurisdictional relationships 02:00:04.280 --> 02:00:06.200 is really the one thing that's been hanging up 02:00:06.200 --> 02:00:08.400 a lot of this effort for many years. 02:00:08.400 --> 02:00:10.840 And I know that that project is gonna look at that. 02:00:10.840 --> 02:00:14.760 One thing that hung up the hole in the Hammond for 10 years 02:00:14.760 --> 02:00:16.920 was that their trails weren't allowed 02:00:16.920 --> 02:00:20.560 and county ordinances weren't allowed in riparian zones, 02:00:20.560 --> 02:00:21.400 but roads were. 02:00:22.280 --> 02:00:23.120 Precisely. 02:00:23.120 --> 02:00:24.760 So we had to deal with that, 02:00:24.760 --> 02:00:27.040 and then we could go forward with that piece of the trail. 02:00:27.040 --> 02:00:30.640 But I can't say that, I know there's a lot 02:00:30.640 --> 02:00:34.200 of conflicting regulatory issues, 02:00:34.200 --> 02:00:37.400 like say if you build a rail with trail 02:00:37.400 --> 02:00:38.840 and the railroad wants a big fence, 02:00:38.840 --> 02:00:40.960 or Caltrans wants a big fence between the trail 02:00:40.960 --> 02:00:42.680 and the highway and it's on the coastal zone, 02:00:42.680 --> 02:00:44.880 the Coastal Commission says, 02:00:44.880 --> 02:00:46.560 you ain't building a fence on the coastal zone? 02:00:46.560 --> 02:00:47.660 That kind of stuff. 02:00:47.660 --> 02:00:50.080 That actually killed a $600,000 bridge 02:00:50.080 --> 02:00:53.920 across the Little River that state parks had funding for, 02:00:53.920 --> 02:00:57.680 getting building trail to Moonstone 02:00:57.680 --> 02:00:59.320 from the Hammond Trail basically, 02:00:59.320 --> 02:01:01.640 and it was the Coastal Commission decided 02:01:01.640 --> 02:01:04.520 that the visual impacts were too much. 02:01:04.520 --> 02:01:06.280 Even signage falls in the back. 02:01:06.280 --> 02:01:11.280 Yeah, so those are I think more of the hangups, 02:01:11.280 --> 02:01:13.300 is the kind of regulatory. 02:01:14.960 --> 02:01:17.120 Realizing that you're gonna get very in depth answers, 02:01:17.120 --> 02:01:18.800 I'll pick up more quick questions. 02:01:18.800 --> 02:01:21.720 We'll go to Larry and then Dave. 02:01:23.240 --> 02:01:24.720 Great presentation, there's a lot of stuff 02:01:24.720 --> 02:01:27.200 I'm already beginning, but I'm a believer, 02:01:27.200 --> 02:01:32.200 but I guess the difference between the resident trail user 02:01:33.800 --> 02:01:36.440 and then the tourist trail user, 02:01:36.440 --> 02:01:39.640 and then sort of the way that I've always looked at it 02:01:39.640 --> 02:01:42.160 in Arcata in particular is that 02:01:42.160 --> 02:01:43.960 if the person stayed in their hotel 02:01:43.960 --> 02:01:47.760 and they got to hop in their car and drive to the trail, 02:01:47.760 --> 02:01:48.920 well, they're gonna go to Trinidad. 02:01:48.920 --> 02:01:50.120 Once they're in the car, they're gone. 02:01:50.120 --> 02:01:51.080 They're just going wherever. 02:01:51.080 --> 02:01:52.440 You don't have them in your local 02:01:52.440 --> 02:01:55.840 and you wanna get out of the hotel room and walk. 02:01:55.840 --> 02:01:58.480 Go to a restaurant, go to a walk, get on a trail, 02:01:58.480 --> 02:02:01.040 take your dog, do your bike, whatever you wanna do. 02:02:01.040 --> 02:02:05.380 And so the trick is with these trails 02:02:05.380 --> 02:02:08.740 is to have the linkage to the services 02:02:08.740 --> 02:02:11.000 that the tourists need, direct linkage. 02:02:11.000 --> 02:02:13.240 That's what people want is that direct linkage. 02:02:13.240 --> 02:02:15.920 And it's the combination, you build them for the residents, 02:02:15.920 --> 02:02:19.480 but we have to make it simple for the tourists to get on 02:02:19.480 --> 02:02:20.640 so they don't have to drive. 02:02:20.640 --> 02:02:21.640 Hubert's simple. 02:02:21.640 --> 02:02:25.480 Yeah, it's gotta be easy and inviting to the visitor. 02:02:25.480 --> 02:02:28.960 It's gotta be just no brainer for them to figure it out 02:02:28.960 --> 02:02:31.560 and rent that bike and make it down to the marsh 02:02:31.560 --> 02:02:33.360 and then continue on the bay trail. 02:02:33.360 --> 02:02:34.960 And knowing where they're gonna go 02:02:34.960 --> 02:02:35.800 and where they're gonna end up 02:02:35.800 --> 02:02:39.120 and how to plan their trip is key part of that, you're right. 02:02:39.120 --> 02:02:43.280 And so is I think just the education of folks. 02:02:43.280 --> 02:02:45.560 It's unfortunate that as you travel, 02:02:45.560 --> 02:02:48.760 and we look for trails and we travel a lot on our trips, 02:02:48.760 --> 02:02:51.160 the clerk at the desk of the hotel can say, 02:02:51.160 --> 02:02:53.120 it's only behind the hotel, 02:02:53.120 --> 02:02:55.920 whereas you may not have a clue that there is one around. 02:02:55.920 --> 02:02:58.960 So I think that whole kind of education 02:02:58.960 --> 02:03:02.480 of the community over those things too. 02:03:02.480 --> 02:03:03.960 People always say, oh, we're not gonna know 02:03:03.960 --> 02:03:06.080 because we're gonna see some etiquettes right down here 02:03:06.080 --> 02:03:07.920 on the up street, they can point you to that. 02:03:07.920 --> 02:03:08.960 Can they point you to the trail? 02:03:08.960 --> 02:03:09.800 Dave? 02:03:11.800 --> 02:03:14.320 Yeah, I was educated by something you said, 02:03:14.320 --> 02:03:17.120 really tickled my ears and I never considered it before 02:03:17.120 --> 02:03:21.160 was that you seemed to say that a functional 02:03:21.160 --> 02:03:24.320 regional trail system is really a magnet 02:03:24.320 --> 02:03:27.160 for industry and maybe corporations. 02:03:27.160 --> 02:03:32.160 And I gotta admit that I'd never put those two together. 02:03:32.160 --> 02:03:36.320 And is that a desirable effect necessarily? 02:03:36.320 --> 02:03:37.160 And- 02:03:37.160 --> 02:03:39.280 It's kind of like the surfing issue, 02:03:39.280 --> 02:03:41.960 a little bit of like, do we wanna tell them? 02:03:41.960 --> 02:03:44.680 Do we go up here, how much do we wanna tell? 02:03:44.680 --> 02:03:48.440 That might generate more support for more varied interest 02:03:48.440 --> 02:03:52.120 if that is really part of a trail vision. 02:03:52.120 --> 02:03:55.000 I had a guy, the head of a large engineering firm 02:03:55.000 --> 02:03:58.520 here locally said, the 30 somethings are not impressed 02:03:58.520 --> 02:04:01.520 with lots of green spaces between the houses and the towns. 02:04:01.520 --> 02:04:04.160 They want recreational infrastructure. 02:04:04.160 --> 02:04:07.240 And so I think, like Portland, 02:04:07.240 --> 02:04:09.260 that whole I-5 quarter in Oregon, 02:04:09.260 --> 02:04:12.680 they said after the Northwest Forest Plan and the Spotted Owl 02:04:12.680 --> 02:04:14.000 that it was all gonna go south 02:04:14.000 --> 02:04:16.280 and they built up this recreational infrastructure, 02:04:16.280 --> 02:04:18.020 their population has swelled, 02:04:18.020 --> 02:04:20.520 they got lots of these self cone valley type jobs 02:04:20.520 --> 02:04:23.480 and a very educated and upscale workforce. 02:04:23.480 --> 02:04:25.640 And the same thing is true with transfer of wealth 02:04:25.640 --> 02:04:28.840 with retirees, they come in here for recreational amenities 02:04:28.840 --> 02:04:29.760 and quality of life. 02:04:29.760 --> 02:04:32.840 And it doesn't, it's kind of frustrating 02:04:32.840 --> 02:04:34.880 because that's not necessarily direct jobs. 02:04:34.880 --> 02:04:37.840 Sometimes it is they buy an existing small business 02:04:37.840 --> 02:04:39.880 and make the choice to bring their capital here 02:04:39.880 --> 02:04:42.900 in that regard, but otherwise they might be, 02:04:42.900 --> 02:04:44.520 living on the hill in a nice house 02:04:44.520 --> 02:04:45.920 and have most of their money in a bank. 02:04:45.920 --> 02:04:49.160 But there's still lots of wealth that comes to us 02:04:49.160 --> 02:04:50.800 in different forms because of this 02:04:50.800 --> 02:04:53.040 in terms of the people that move here. 02:04:53.040 --> 02:04:55.600 And it's reflecting the demographics by the way. 02:04:55.600 --> 02:04:56.720 Randy. 02:04:56.720 --> 02:05:01.640 Well, as a developer, I think Dan will second this. 02:05:01.640 --> 02:05:03.680 Everything you're saying about trails is true. 02:05:03.680 --> 02:05:05.000 It'll increase your rents, 02:05:05.000 --> 02:05:08.320 it'll make your development more appealing. 02:05:10.440 --> 02:05:12.600 It's 100% true, that's what we planned for. 02:05:15.040 --> 02:05:17.600 The issue though that I see here locally, 02:05:17.600 --> 02:05:20.480 I think Dan will second this is, 02:05:20.480 --> 02:05:22.600 when you mentioned Vancouver, I've been to Vancouver, 02:05:22.600 --> 02:05:23.880 actually one of the architects 02:05:23.880 --> 02:05:25.720 that designed the project on the waterfront, 02:05:25.720 --> 02:05:28.440 their senator went to Vancouver, 02:05:28.440 --> 02:05:31.160 looked at their trail systems and all that. 02:05:31.160 --> 02:05:32.760 Is they want to invest up there? 02:05:35.680 --> 02:05:38.560 I mean, are Eureka's waterfronts a waste land? 02:05:38.560 --> 02:05:40.680 I mean, you look at various areas, 02:05:40.680 --> 02:05:43.200 you've got huge blocks of city owned property. 02:05:44.000 --> 02:05:48.360 How are you going to encourage development 02:05:48.360 --> 02:05:52.160 on the waterfront with all the regulatory hurdles? 02:05:52.160 --> 02:05:53.280 I mean, that's your key. 02:05:53.280 --> 02:05:55.240 You could build this thing without public money, 02:05:55.240 --> 02:05:58.160 private developers will build it for you. 02:05:58.160 --> 02:06:01.480 I mean, how does your group reach out to us? 02:06:01.480 --> 02:06:02.680 I mean, you've reached out to us, 02:06:02.680 --> 02:06:04.840 obviously, because we've got about a mile of it, 02:06:04.840 --> 02:06:07.200 and we're on board. 02:06:08.280 --> 02:06:10.320 But how are we going to get these things in time? 02:06:11.280 --> 02:06:14.840 It's true, and I think the key is, 02:06:14.840 --> 02:06:17.200 one thing I mentioned earlier is to make sure 02:06:17.200 --> 02:06:21.480 that each local jurisdiction is pursuing this 02:06:21.480 --> 02:06:22.640 of their own accord. 02:06:22.640 --> 02:06:24.320 I mean, I can pursue it. 02:06:24.320 --> 02:06:25.440 Me, me, me, me. 02:06:25.440 --> 02:06:26.960 From a non-profit standpoint, 02:06:26.960 --> 02:06:28.040 oh, triangles. 02:06:28.040 --> 02:06:30.320 But when you have your public works 02:06:30.320 --> 02:06:33.800 and your planning staff keyed into looking 02:06:33.800 --> 02:06:36.520 for these opportunities and moving them forward 02:06:36.520 --> 02:06:40.320 and promoting what they've got as a part of a package, 02:06:40.320 --> 02:06:44.080 this is one piece of the full basket that they offer. 02:06:44.080 --> 02:06:48.320 I think that makes a big difference, personally. 02:06:48.320 --> 02:06:51.600 And the other, I've led workshops 02:06:51.600 --> 02:06:54.600 on trying to streamline regulatory stuff 02:06:54.600 --> 02:06:56.280 for the restoration community. 02:06:56.280 --> 02:06:59.760 So that is a big part of it. 02:06:59.760 --> 02:07:02.680 And I know it's, and I don't know if I can touch that, 02:07:02.680 --> 02:07:06.680 because you've got 10 different regulators 02:07:06.680 --> 02:07:07.880 and they all want something different 02:07:07.880 --> 02:07:08.800 and they're not coordinated. 02:07:08.800 --> 02:07:11.760 That's a big challenging task 02:07:11.760 --> 02:07:13.320 that lives in front of all of us. 02:07:13.320 --> 02:07:17.240 The other guys, they say that the Hartford District 02:07:17.240 --> 02:07:21.080 should break trail on the permitting 02:07:21.080 --> 02:07:24.000 and help them with it so that we have a staffer 02:07:24.000 --> 02:07:26.680 that's acquainted, can provide the science side. 02:07:26.680 --> 02:07:28.560 And then of course, they'd still participate 02:07:28.560 --> 02:07:32.960 with consultants, but that we'd have kind of a cohesive 02:07:32.960 --> 02:07:36.400 approach to the regulatory so that we try 02:07:36.400 --> 02:07:37.600 to make some progress. 02:07:37.600 --> 02:07:39.600 And also have kind of familiar faces, 02:07:39.600 --> 02:07:41.400 so it isn't like new people all the time 02:07:41.400 --> 02:07:44.160 and we know their book. 02:07:44.160 --> 02:07:46.400 I mean, so would that be desirable 02:07:46.400 --> 02:07:47.840 if there was a governmental entity? 02:07:47.840 --> 02:07:49.640 Yeah, if this vision here 02:07:49.640 --> 02:07:52.560 for the waterfront trail in Eureka had CEQA behind it, 02:07:52.560 --> 02:07:56.200 it had engineering designs and it was done. 02:07:56.200 --> 02:07:59.520 This is the vision and the kind of scratch on the paper. 02:07:59.520 --> 02:08:01.800 But if all those pieces were in place, 02:08:01.800 --> 02:08:04.320 the city could have pulled down a ton of stimulus money 02:08:04.320 --> 02:08:07.320 for this project to get it built. 02:08:07.320 --> 02:08:08.600 But those are the pieces, 02:08:08.600 --> 02:08:11.600 and that's some of the multi-jurisdictional kind of work 02:08:11.600 --> 02:08:13.840 that we need to do and to help. 02:08:13.840 --> 02:08:15.640 I think a lot of the local jurisdictions 02:08:15.640 --> 02:08:17.720 feel like they don't have the funding. 02:08:17.720 --> 02:08:19.360 It's a little bit of a chicken and egg issue. 02:08:19.360 --> 02:08:21.400 They feel like they need investment, 02:08:21.400 --> 02:08:23.760 big chunk to invest in these things, 02:08:23.760 --> 02:08:26.520 but then the return on the investment is huge. 02:08:26.520 --> 02:08:28.920 But getting that initial investment 02:08:28.920 --> 02:08:30.120 and getting the CEQA in place 02:08:30.120 --> 02:08:32.320 and your final engineering designs and stuff, 02:08:32.320 --> 02:08:34.160 that's the piece that's been missing. 02:08:35.080 --> 02:08:35.920 Okay. 02:08:36.800 --> 02:08:38.520 You know, of all the things we've been talking about 02:08:38.520 --> 02:08:39.360 since we've been meeting, 02:08:39.360 --> 02:08:41.480 the single biggest problem is the one 02:08:41.480 --> 02:08:43.560 we're talking about at this instance. 02:08:43.560 --> 02:08:46.400 This is the single biggest issue to economic development 02:08:46.400 --> 02:08:48.760 that we are going to have, that we are going to face, 02:08:48.760 --> 02:08:51.760 that we're going to have to figure out a way around. 02:08:51.760 --> 02:08:53.560 Because without facing that issue, 02:08:53.560 --> 02:08:55.760 without figuring out how to get permits, 02:08:55.760 --> 02:08:57.280 you're not going to move anything forward, 02:08:57.280 --> 02:08:59.000 be it residential, be it commercial, 02:08:59.000 --> 02:09:00.800 or be it recreational. 02:09:00.800 --> 02:09:05.040 Well, and it's classic that one state agency wants to fund 02:09:05.040 --> 02:09:07.960 and the other state agency thinks it's a blight. 02:09:07.960 --> 02:09:09.520 I mean, that's... 02:09:10.560 --> 02:09:11.480 They're connected. 02:09:11.480 --> 02:09:12.440 Let's not dwell. 02:09:12.440 --> 02:09:17.080 But I think it's a recognized impediment, 02:09:17.080 --> 02:09:18.840 and it's one of the challenges of this committee 02:09:18.840 --> 02:09:21.120 to recognize those and see if there are solutions 02:09:21.120 --> 02:09:22.720 that we can craft. 02:09:22.720 --> 02:09:26.680 And so that was very enlightening 02:09:26.680 --> 02:09:29.920 and very encouraging in some regards. 02:09:31.240 --> 02:09:35.160 And Anne Lindsay is going to bat last before the panel. 02:09:35.160 --> 02:09:39.280 She is our Humboldt County Public Health Director. 02:09:39.280 --> 02:09:42.960 She is going to talk about the financial benefits 02:09:42.960 --> 02:09:44.520 of improved health associated 02:09:44.520 --> 02:09:47.440 with recreational infrastructure. 02:09:49.280 --> 02:09:52.000 So public health isn't not about individual patient care, 02:09:52.000 --> 02:09:55.120 but we're concerned about the community as a whole. 02:09:55.120 --> 02:09:57.760 And one of our jobs is to get data together 02:09:57.760 --> 02:10:00.840 about the health status and health issues 02:10:00.840 --> 02:10:03.280 and to in order to inform policy. 02:10:03.280 --> 02:10:06.200 So in that spirit, I'm here tonight. 02:10:06.200 --> 02:10:08.200 There's ample evidence about the impact 02:10:08.200 --> 02:10:13.200 of a way a community is laid out on health. 02:10:13.200 --> 02:10:16.640 And people are more likely to be physically active 02:10:16.640 --> 02:10:18.120 if it's easy to do it. 02:10:18.120 --> 02:10:23.120 And that's, there's certainly in the existing activities 02:10:23.680 --> 02:10:26.840 of the Harbor District, a lot of opportunities 02:10:26.840 --> 02:10:29.320 or promotion of physical activity, 02:10:29.320 --> 02:10:31.640 but certainly when you look at the broader vision 02:10:31.640 --> 02:10:33.400 and linking it to multi-use trails, 02:10:33.400 --> 02:10:37.120 you really see that even more. 02:10:37.120 --> 02:10:42.120 Just the Center for the Public Health Advocacy 02:10:43.640 --> 02:10:48.640 released a report recently that showed economic impact 02:10:49.080 --> 02:10:54.080 in county by county for physical inactivity and obesity. 02:10:56.280 --> 02:10:58.880 And the total cost to Humboldt County, 02:10:58.880 --> 02:11:03.880 according to this study is $112 million per year. 02:11:03.880 --> 02:11:08.520 And if you narrow it down to physical inactivity, 02:11:08.520 --> 02:11:12.120 it's $51 million, about half of which 02:11:12.120 --> 02:11:17.120 is direct healthcare costs and $25 million 02:11:17.120 --> 02:11:20.360 in lost productivity in the workforce. 02:11:20.360 --> 02:11:25.200 And that accounts for, is accounted for by absences. 02:11:25.200 --> 02:11:28.480 People are just not coming to work, they're sick, 02:11:28.480 --> 02:11:31.640 short-term disability, and then presenteeism, 02:11:31.640 --> 02:11:32.840 which means you're on the job, 02:11:32.840 --> 02:11:36.560 but the lights, nobody's home. 02:11:37.720 --> 02:11:42.280 And that adds up to approximately 3% of work time 02:11:42.280 --> 02:11:45.600 that is lost, is not productive 02:11:45.600 --> 02:11:47.800 because of physical inactivity. 02:11:47.800 --> 02:11:51.440 And that totals 57 hours per person per year. 02:11:51.440 --> 02:11:53.560 And you multiply that out times the population 02:11:53.560 --> 02:11:56.760 of Humboldt County, it's 7.4 million hours 02:11:56.760 --> 02:12:00.760 of productivity lost, which is always impressive. 02:12:00.760 --> 02:12:03.680 I've always loved multiplying times 127,000. 02:12:03.680 --> 02:12:04.520 But. 02:12:04.520 --> 02:12:09.520 So if we were to decrease physical inactivity 02:12:12.200 --> 02:12:17.200 in Humboldt by 5%, it would improve the local economy 02:12:18.040 --> 02:12:22.640 productivity $5.6 million a year. 02:12:22.640 --> 02:12:24.800 So I think that's a good goal. 02:12:24.800 --> 02:12:27.920 And actually, Humpal, the Partnership for Active Living, 02:12:27.920 --> 02:12:31.360 HumCAN, which is a community for activity and nutrition, 02:12:31.360 --> 02:12:33.520 and our Department of Health and Human Services 02:12:33.520 --> 02:12:36.360 have worked on a series of community goals. 02:12:36.360 --> 02:12:39.320 And one of them, we wanted that right now, 02:12:39.320 --> 02:12:42.880 there are 63% of the adult population 02:12:42.880 --> 02:12:45.360 do not meet physical activity goals. 02:12:45.360 --> 02:12:50.360 It's 30 minutes of physical activity five times a week. 02:12:50.680 --> 02:12:53.160 So if we could, our goal is to increase it to 50%. 02:12:53.160 --> 02:12:55.680 But if, anyway, if we just got the, 02:12:55.680 --> 02:12:58.640 we're aiming for a 5% increase in physically active adults, 02:12:58.640 --> 02:13:02.600 that would be 6,500 more adults physically active. 02:13:03.800 --> 02:13:05.240 So how do you do it? 02:13:05.240 --> 02:13:09.040 You make, increase the quality and quantity 02:13:09.040 --> 02:13:11.620 and accessibility of parks, school grounds, 02:13:11.620 --> 02:13:16.620 multi-use trails, make connections and open spaces. 02:13:18.160 --> 02:13:22.160 That, so behind the healthcare savings 02:13:22.160 --> 02:13:25.960 are reducing the risk of early death, heart disease, 02:13:25.960 --> 02:13:30.960 type two diabetes, high blood pressure and depression 02:13:31.040 --> 02:13:34.040 in order to, and preventing weight gain, 02:13:34.040 --> 02:13:37.720 which improves your heart and lung and muscular fitness 02:13:37.720 --> 02:13:39.840 and your thinking processes. 02:13:39.840 --> 02:13:41.840 And that's behind the presenteeism, 02:13:41.840 --> 02:13:45.260 that people are spaced out rather than working. 02:13:46.320 --> 02:13:49.840 And so our national goal is to get 50% of adults 02:13:49.840 --> 02:13:52.240 engaged in physical activity. 02:13:52.240 --> 02:13:55.880 You know, for children, same kind of argument, 02:13:55.880 --> 02:13:59.400 although it just increases their well-being, 02:13:59.400 --> 02:14:02.240 encourages positive health behavior, 02:14:02.240 --> 02:14:05.120 and reduces their chances of developing chronic disease. 02:14:05.120 --> 02:14:07.240 And a child born today has a one in four chance 02:14:07.240 --> 02:14:08.940 of developing type two diabetes, 02:14:08.940 --> 02:14:13.240 just because obesity and physical activity are climbing 02:14:13.240 --> 02:14:17.800 and diabetes follows that. 02:14:17.800 --> 02:14:22.800 So, oops, didn't want to show that slide. 02:14:25.920 --> 02:14:30.920 That's the one that's a subliminal message. 02:14:31.360 --> 02:14:32.520 I guess so. 02:14:32.520 --> 02:14:36.740 Just to show that there, 02:14:39.460 --> 02:14:42.340 this is about healthy weights of humble students. 02:14:42.340 --> 02:14:44.720 Just, we actually have a problem. 02:14:44.720 --> 02:14:47.240 It feels like everybody should have access 02:14:47.240 --> 02:14:50.280 to good food and physical activity, 02:14:50.280 --> 02:14:54.300 but relative to urban areas, we have a higher obesity rate. 02:14:54.300 --> 02:14:59.300 And you can see also that the blue markers 02:14:59.720 --> 02:15:02.960 are from 2003, 2004 measurements 02:15:02.960 --> 02:15:06.240 that we, public health took in schools. 02:15:06.240 --> 02:15:11.240 And the red lines are from 2006 and 2007 measurements 02:15:11.240 --> 02:15:12.280 that we took in school. 02:15:12.280 --> 02:15:15.160 And the number of children, or the percentage of children 02:15:15.160 --> 02:15:18.800 that are at healthy weight is decreasing across the board 02:15:18.800 --> 02:15:21.200 and all the age groups, so the K through two, 02:15:21.200 --> 02:15:23.840 fifth grade, and eighth and tenth grade. 02:15:23.840 --> 02:15:26.520 So, we have to work as a community. 02:15:26.520 --> 02:15:29.880 That seems very rapid within about three or four years. 02:15:29.880 --> 02:15:30.720 What's that? 02:15:30.720 --> 02:15:32.680 That was very rapid for a sequence of like four years. 02:15:32.680 --> 02:15:35.120 Yeah, well we're gonna, hopefully we're gonna finish 02:15:35.120 --> 02:15:36.920 repeating it again this year or next year, 02:15:36.920 --> 02:15:41.920 and see if it's a trend or a statistical change. 02:15:41.920 --> 02:15:46.160 But we want our children to be happy 02:15:46.160 --> 02:15:50.440 and learn better and become productive citizens. 02:15:50.440 --> 02:15:55.440 And this isn't directly related to the Bay Trail, 02:15:57.040 --> 02:16:01.560 but if kids are able to get to school 02:16:01.560 --> 02:16:04.360 or get to where they need to go by active transportation, 02:16:04.360 --> 02:16:05.680 it's much better off. 02:16:05.680 --> 02:16:08.040 And this just shows you some of the percentages. 02:16:08.040 --> 02:16:12.200 Mostly kids get shepherded around by car, which- 02:16:12.200 --> 02:16:14.080 It could if they lived in Fields Landing 02:16:14.080 --> 02:16:16.160 and there was a Bay Trail to King Salmon. 02:16:16.160 --> 02:16:17.000 Uh-huh. 02:16:17.000 --> 02:16:17.840 It could. 02:16:17.840 --> 02:16:18.680 I mean, I- 02:16:18.680 --> 02:16:19.520 Yeah, no, you could. 02:16:19.520 --> 02:16:20.400 Yeah, that Bay Trail could help those. 02:16:20.400 --> 02:16:22.480 It's part of having a connected system. 02:16:22.480 --> 02:16:25.360 And not just, there's all too many neighborhoods 02:16:25.360 --> 02:16:29.800 where you get like three or four blocks of a bike trail 02:16:29.800 --> 02:16:32.720 or a sidewalk, and then they poop out. 02:16:32.720 --> 02:16:36.600 And that's partly why kids are tethered to cars, 02:16:36.600 --> 02:16:38.360 which tether their parents to cars 02:16:38.360 --> 02:16:41.400 and get all of us driving around a lot. 02:16:41.400 --> 02:16:42.320 I mean, when I had little kids, 02:16:42.320 --> 02:16:44.880 I was the only one kind of domestic help 02:16:44.880 --> 02:16:47.480 I would have really appreciated was a chauffeur. 02:16:47.480 --> 02:16:48.320 But- 02:16:48.320 --> 02:16:49.160 Uh-huh. 02:16:49.160 --> 02:16:50.000 Uh-huh. 02:16:51.200 --> 02:16:56.200 So, and it basically, 02:16:57.400 --> 02:16:59.800 less, more people in cars, more traffic you have, 02:16:59.800 --> 02:17:02.880 and makes it harder for people who want to not be in cars. 02:17:02.880 --> 02:17:07.880 And walking and biking reduces the traffic, air pollution, 02:17:09.200 --> 02:17:14.200 and there's some specific issues about schools, 02:17:14.640 --> 02:17:15.640 which I won't get into now. 02:17:15.640 --> 02:17:19.840 But one of the goals also that our organizations 02:17:19.840 --> 02:17:21.880 have adopted, and we're actually making plans 02:17:21.880 --> 02:17:24.960 to get the whole community to sign onto this, 02:17:24.960 --> 02:17:27.840 is to reduce automobile travel. 02:17:27.840 --> 02:17:32.280 That there's been a steady increase in vehicle, 02:17:32.280 --> 02:17:34.720 or vehicle miles traveled, 02:17:35.640 --> 02:17:39.040 and there has a direct relationship. 02:17:39.040 --> 02:17:40.400 The more vehicle miles traveled, 02:17:40.400 --> 02:17:42.520 the less physical activity there is. 02:17:42.520 --> 02:17:44.920 There's an inverse relationship. 02:17:44.920 --> 02:17:47.880 And one thing, we talk a lot about encouraging 02:17:47.880 --> 02:17:49.720 high income people to come move in the neighborhood 02:17:49.720 --> 02:17:53.320 and come spend their money and tourism, 02:17:53.320 --> 02:17:57.120 but 27% of the median income in Humboldt County 02:17:57.120 --> 02:17:59.000 is spent on transportation. 02:17:59.000 --> 02:18:01.840 And these are people who work 02:18:01.840 --> 02:18:05.120 and raise their children here. 02:18:05.120 --> 02:18:08.240 And if they have option, that they don't have to, 02:18:08.240 --> 02:18:11.960 cars are expensive, but bicycles and foot traffic 02:18:11.960 --> 02:18:13.240 is a lot cheaper. 02:18:13.240 --> 02:18:16.880 So it really meets all the needs of people in community 02:18:16.880 --> 02:18:20.080 if we can develop an effective trail system. 02:18:21.360 --> 02:18:24.320 And air pollution in itself, 02:18:24.320 --> 02:18:27.960 which it doesn't feel like a big problem here, 02:18:27.960 --> 02:18:30.160 but that is an issue. 02:18:30.160 --> 02:18:33.760 Automobiles do contribute to air pollution. 02:18:33.760 --> 02:18:37.240 And greenhouse gases affect climate change, 02:18:38.600 --> 02:18:43.600 which have a whole host of health problems, 02:18:43.680 --> 02:18:47.480 including extreme weather events, water pollution, 02:18:49.480 --> 02:18:53.200 diseases by born in food and water, 02:18:53.200 --> 02:18:56.520 and by mosquitoes, and you know, 02:18:56.520 --> 02:18:59.000 malaria will probably come back to the United States 02:18:59.000 --> 02:19:00.040 as it gets warmer. 02:19:01.160 --> 02:19:06.160 But some of the activities that we propose 02:19:06.800 --> 02:19:10.160 to support the goal of reducing vehicle miles traveled 02:19:10.160 --> 02:19:12.920 is basically creating land use patterns 02:19:12.920 --> 02:19:15.760 and incentivize development that accommodates 02:19:15.760 --> 02:19:17.560 and encourages active transportation. 02:19:17.560 --> 02:19:20.280 So every body, a policy making body, 02:19:20.280 --> 02:19:24.040 such as this group here, and every planning commission, 02:19:24.040 --> 02:19:26.320 actually practitioners of public health. 02:19:26.320 --> 02:19:28.640 And you probably have more impact than I do, 02:19:28.640 --> 02:19:31.040 even though I do that as my job. 02:19:31.040 --> 02:19:36.040 But we can make significant positive health impact. 02:19:36.320 --> 02:19:38.640 And there, whoops. 02:19:40.240 --> 02:19:44.000 And just pulling out of the health impact assessment 02:19:44.000 --> 02:19:47.000 that public health participated in, 02:19:47.000 --> 02:19:50.680 the county general plan, some data about 02:19:53.200 --> 02:19:55.840 that the amount of the bike facilities 02:19:55.840 --> 02:19:58.720 that are existing here in Humboldt County. 02:20:01.360 --> 02:20:02.200 We- 02:20:02.200 --> 02:20:04.560 This is including class three, I think, 02:20:04.560 --> 02:20:06.640 which is just signed bike routes. 02:20:06.640 --> 02:20:07.800 Yes. Yes. 02:20:07.800 --> 02:20:10.560 So it's not specifically, you know- 02:20:10.560 --> 02:20:11.960 A bike lane or a bike path. 02:20:11.960 --> 02:20:14.680 Yeah, it might be a bike lane, you know, 02:20:14.680 --> 02:20:19.680 which, so it's a broad definition of a bike facility. 02:20:21.640 --> 02:20:23.880 But this is the baseline. 02:20:23.880 --> 02:20:28.880 And that, but the ratio of class one bike facilities 02:20:29.880 --> 02:20:32.720 to roads is 0.02. 02:20:32.720 --> 02:20:35.080 And the ratio of class two bike facilities, 02:20:35.080 --> 02:20:39.440 which is, you know, a mark lane on the street is 0.01, 02:20:39.440 --> 02:20:42.280 which is, I think we can do better than that. 02:20:42.280 --> 02:20:45.280 And certainly this $50 million trail development 02:20:45.280 --> 02:20:48.720 will get us a significant way along that. 02:20:48.720 --> 02:20:53.480 And that really is the gist of my talk. 02:20:53.480 --> 02:20:54.320 Awesome. 02:20:54.320 --> 02:20:55.160 Thank you. 02:20:55.160 --> 02:20:56.000 Thank you. 02:20:56.000 --> 02:20:56.840 Awesome. 02:20:56.840 --> 02:20:57.660 Thank you. 02:20:57.660 --> 02:20:59.920 Questions for Ram before we can see the panel. 02:20:59.920 --> 02:21:01.840 David, and then we'll go to Hawk. 02:21:03.000 --> 02:21:05.000 Quantified under lost productivity, 02:21:05.880 --> 02:21:10.120 you quantified $57 per year per person. 02:21:10.120 --> 02:21:12.760 And then you multiplied that by a number 02:21:12.760 --> 02:21:15.000 to get to a million dollar number. 02:21:15.000 --> 02:21:17.400 No, it was 57 hours per person. 02:21:17.400 --> 02:21:18.240 Yeah. 02:21:18.240 --> 02:21:19.720 You were, then you quantified it 02:21:19.720 --> 02:21:22.640 and went, got to a million dollar figure 02:21:22.640 --> 02:21:25.400 that it was costing lost productivity. 02:21:25.400 --> 02:21:26.240 Right. 02:21:26.240 --> 02:21:28.240 But you multiply it by 127,000. 02:21:28.240 --> 02:21:32.200 And that's every man, woman, and child in Humboldt County. 02:21:32.200 --> 02:21:35.320 Is it fair to say that every one of those is a worker 02:21:35.320 --> 02:21:37.080 that is losing productivity? 02:21:37.080 --> 02:21:39.280 Well, the statistics are per person. 02:21:39.280 --> 02:21:42.560 So I assume that, right, just not all that many, 02:21:42.560 --> 02:21:46.920 not everybody works, but it's interesting. 02:21:46.920 --> 02:21:48.400 Probably inflated my figure, 02:21:48.400 --> 02:21:50.840 but as I interpreted the study, 02:21:50.840 --> 02:21:55.000 it was per person and not per productively employed person. 02:21:55.000 --> 02:21:56.360 Right. 02:21:56.360 --> 02:21:58.000 But it still couldn't be significant. 02:21:58.000 --> 02:22:00.280 That was a good point to do. 02:22:00.280 --> 02:22:02.600 So it might be half of that, or it might be that. 02:22:02.600 --> 02:22:05.480 But if they did the, it depends on how, 02:22:05.480 --> 02:22:08.860 and I didn't have access to the full mathematics 02:22:08.860 --> 02:22:09.920 behind the study. 02:22:09.920 --> 02:22:11.680 Because there are other externalities. 02:22:11.680 --> 02:22:14.320 If you have an inactive person in your household 02:22:14.320 --> 02:22:18.560 may increase your lack of, or decrease your productivity 02:22:18.560 --> 02:22:20.440 because if you're taking care of that person, 02:22:20.440 --> 02:22:21.640 you don't know all that. 02:22:23.360 --> 02:22:24.200 All right. 02:22:24.200 --> 02:22:25.400 Tom. 02:22:25.400 --> 02:22:28.840 I just wanted to, a lot of the talks seem to be focused on 02:22:28.840 --> 02:22:32.440 land-based uses for recreation and activity, 02:22:32.440 --> 02:22:35.060 but certainly, you know, kayaking, my thing, 02:22:36.280 --> 02:22:39.280 you weigh much less on the water than you do on the land. 02:22:39.280 --> 02:22:42.720 So I get a lot of very heavy people come to Humboldt's 02:22:42.720 --> 02:22:44.720 to go kayaking, and people come out, 02:22:44.720 --> 02:22:46.640 I was, really, you wanna go kayaking? 02:22:46.640 --> 02:22:50.000 But I've got kayaks that can hold 600 pounds, so why not? 02:22:50.000 --> 02:22:51.880 Get them on the water, they get it exercised, 02:22:51.880 --> 02:22:53.720 and they really feel like they're doing something, 02:22:53.720 --> 02:22:55.920 and then they come back and do it again and again. 02:22:55.920 --> 02:22:59.000 Because it's a low-impact exercise. 02:22:59.000 --> 02:23:00.440 And if we had the infrastructure, 02:23:00.440 --> 02:23:02.800 if we had the trail system on the water, 02:23:02.800 --> 02:23:06.000 then there'd be more ability for them to do that. 02:23:06.000 --> 02:23:08.120 It wouldn't be such a scary proposition 02:23:08.120 --> 02:23:09.560 to go kayaking in the bay. 02:23:09.560 --> 02:23:10.880 I think that's a really good point. 02:23:10.880 --> 02:23:12.760 I mean, I have a medical practice as well, 02:23:12.760 --> 02:23:14.360 and that's always a challenge. 02:23:14.360 --> 02:23:16.600 If brainstorming with people, 02:23:16.600 --> 02:23:17.840 well, you're not physically active, 02:23:17.840 --> 02:23:19.360 what do you like to do, and what can you do? 02:23:19.360 --> 02:23:21.640 And if you're overweight, to start with, 02:23:21.640 --> 02:23:24.760 the land-based things are often too much impact. 02:23:24.760 --> 02:23:29.760 And so swimming and kayaking are very good sports. 02:23:31.960 --> 02:23:33.480 Yeah? 02:23:33.480 --> 02:23:35.440 For all the water we have here, 02:23:35.440 --> 02:23:37.480 we have a very poor aquatics 02:23:37.480 --> 02:23:39.640 directed at school-aged children. 02:23:40.520 --> 02:23:44.840 We have almost no sewing program, no small craft program. 02:23:44.840 --> 02:23:49.840 It's all directed at high school and above. 02:23:49.840 --> 02:23:52.840 Are you seeing any programs in place that we could use 02:23:52.840 --> 02:23:55.000 to get children involved in aquatics 02:23:55.000 --> 02:23:57.800 to expand their horizons? 02:24:00.320 --> 02:24:03.160 We do Eureka High School, 02:24:03.160 --> 02:24:07.040 Cotton Elementary, Ridgewood, Trinidad School. 02:24:07.040 --> 02:24:08.360 That's a big part of our business, 02:24:08.360 --> 02:24:10.040 is taking the little kids out. 02:24:10.040 --> 02:24:13.880 It's more come see the biology, the ecology of the area. 02:24:13.880 --> 02:24:16.760 It's not so much fitness, but it's, we do, 02:24:16.760 --> 02:24:17.960 that's a big part of our business, 02:24:17.960 --> 02:24:19.160 is getting the little ones out there. 02:24:19.160 --> 02:24:21.120 And it's the teachers seek us out to do that 02:24:21.120 --> 02:24:23.400 rather than us looking for that business. 02:24:23.400 --> 02:24:25.320 And then I think, yeah, I'd like to point out too, 02:24:25.320 --> 02:24:30.320 on that subject, I was trying to get John Bradley here 02:24:30.920 --> 02:24:33.240 tonight from sailing from the yacht club, 02:24:33.240 --> 02:24:35.120 and either or John Ash, 02:24:35.120 --> 02:24:37.920 because both of them are actually tonight, 02:24:37.920 --> 02:24:41.640 they're doing a youth sailing program on Humboldt Bay. 02:24:41.640 --> 02:24:44.480 And so that we couldn't have them here on the panel 02:24:44.480 --> 02:24:47.440 this evening, but there is some activities 02:24:47.440 --> 02:24:49.200 associated with that for the youth. 02:24:49.200 --> 02:24:51.160 But there needs to be more definitely. 02:24:51.160 --> 02:24:53.840 And you know, and I went to a conference 02:24:53.840 --> 02:24:58.840 that the district here hosted last year for the marinas. 02:24:59.600 --> 02:25:00.440 What was that one? 02:25:00.440 --> 02:25:01.840 The CMAC meeting? 02:25:01.840 --> 02:25:04.000 Yeah, was it CMOS for the marinas one, 02:25:04.000 --> 02:25:05.840 for it was a marina maintenance type. 02:25:05.840 --> 02:25:07.240 Oh, the Pacific Coast Congress or whatever. 02:25:07.240 --> 02:25:08.680 Yeah, whatever, anyway. 02:25:08.680 --> 02:25:11.160 It was a West Coast marinas conference, 02:25:11.160 --> 02:25:15.160 and they talked a lot about the need for expanding 02:25:15.160 --> 02:25:18.200 into youth programs for water sports, 02:25:18.200 --> 02:25:21.360 and especially boating, because, you know, 02:25:21.360 --> 02:25:24.320 they're seeing a kind of a decrease 02:25:24.320 --> 02:25:26.000 in some of those activities. 02:25:26.000 --> 02:25:29.480 And the ownerships of sailboats and larger boats 02:25:29.480 --> 02:25:32.800 is actually shifting more into the paddleboat arena 02:25:32.800 --> 02:25:35.240 due to economics and just sort of the trends 02:25:35.240 --> 02:25:38.120 of what society. 02:25:38.120 --> 02:25:41.080 And they were talking about how more marinas 02:25:41.080 --> 02:25:44.080 are now having programs directly related to, 02:25:44.080 --> 02:25:46.360 you know, getting folks on the water 02:25:46.360 --> 02:25:49.640 in those different craft outside just private ownership. 02:25:49.640 --> 02:25:51.680 So it's something we're looking at. 02:25:51.680 --> 02:25:55.040 I think that's a great idea because a lot of activity, 02:25:55.040 --> 02:25:56.800 physical activity at high schools anyway, 02:25:56.800 --> 02:25:58.360 is around team sports. 02:25:58.360 --> 02:26:01.000 And a very small percentage of students can participate. 02:26:01.000 --> 02:26:03.920 And a lot of kids are either not physically able 02:26:03.920 --> 02:26:07.200 or not inclined, and the more options we can find 02:26:07.200 --> 02:26:09.880 that sports like kayaking that they can bring 02:26:09.880 --> 02:26:11.800 into their adulthood and keep doing, 02:26:11.800 --> 02:26:14.640 you know, that we're just gonna help create, 02:26:14.640 --> 02:26:16.400 keep health habits in that generation. 02:26:16.400 --> 02:26:18.640 Right, crew, there's a lot of kids out participating 02:26:18.640 --> 02:26:20.240 in crew, the high school teams. 02:26:21.480 --> 02:26:22.320 Yeah. 02:26:22.320 --> 02:26:25.760 I wanna transition into the panel discussion 02:26:25.760 --> 02:26:29.400 if that's okay so we can, oh, I'm sorry, Pete. 02:26:29.400 --> 02:26:31.480 We're really almost getting close to done. 02:26:32.520 --> 02:26:33.360 Seriously. 02:26:33.360 --> 02:26:35.600 It was stretched a while ago. 02:26:35.600 --> 02:26:36.920 You want five, Pete? 02:26:36.920 --> 02:26:38.320 I know. Really? 02:26:38.320 --> 02:26:41.000 I was gonna say five to get hold of these chairs. 02:26:41.000 --> 02:26:46.000 Well, I mean, I like, so we're supposed to end pretty soon. 02:26:46.000 --> 02:26:47.440 I mean, if you wanna, you know, hop out to do 02:26:47.440 --> 02:26:48.760 what you need to do, Pete, that's okay. 02:26:48.760 --> 02:26:50.960 But I think we do need to kind of keep moving 02:26:50.960 --> 02:26:53.280 to get people out of here and not to lose the momentum. 02:26:53.280 --> 02:26:58.280 We're gonna go into the panel discussion. 02:26:58.600 --> 02:27:02.400 I just wanted to say that, you know, this, you know, 02:27:02.400 --> 02:27:04.560 we started this economic development committee 02:27:04.560 --> 02:27:06.880 to look at different aspects of economic development 02:27:06.880 --> 02:27:09.440 around Humboldt Bay and this is one of the ones 02:27:09.440 --> 02:27:13.480 that obviously is popular and important. 02:27:13.480 --> 02:27:16.160 And it's not just because it's good for us, 02:27:16.160 --> 02:27:18.600 it's because it actually has value to the economy 02:27:18.600 --> 02:27:20.920 and sort of, you know, to answer Dave's thing about, 02:27:20.920 --> 02:27:24.480 you know, a lot of chamber of commerce, 02:27:24.480 --> 02:27:26.840 including Reading and other places, you know, 02:27:26.840 --> 02:27:31.320 they highlight when they are advertising 02:27:31.320 --> 02:27:34.680 to businesses and entrepreneurs and those types of people 02:27:34.680 --> 02:27:37.600 that want to move to a place and workers to retain. 02:27:37.600 --> 02:27:41.280 These are the types of infrastructures and, you know, 02:27:41.280 --> 02:27:44.080 facilities that they highlight very strongly, 02:27:44.080 --> 02:27:45.840 amongst other things, you know, transportation 02:27:45.840 --> 02:27:47.440 and other issues that they, you know, 02:27:47.440 --> 02:27:50.600 and culture and those sorts of things. 02:27:50.600 --> 02:27:52.720 But these are among the highest, 02:27:52.720 --> 02:27:55.360 and especially in California and the types of workers, 02:27:55.360 --> 02:28:00.360 technology workers and even labor workers, 02:28:00.600 --> 02:28:04.360 they like these facilities, they use them for their families. 02:28:04.360 --> 02:28:05.920 So it is important. 02:28:05.920 --> 02:28:07.080 One of the things, and I'm just gonna, 02:28:07.080 --> 02:28:09.440 I don't want to make more work for David, 02:28:09.440 --> 02:28:12.880 although I do all the time, is, you know, 02:28:12.880 --> 02:28:14.440 there has always been this question of, 02:28:14.440 --> 02:28:15.960 and it doesn't need to be answered here 02:28:15.960 --> 02:28:19.040 at this particular event, but, you know, 02:28:19.040 --> 02:28:21.160 one of the things that has been bandied about 02:28:21.160 --> 02:28:25.360 and talked about is a district, a recreation district, right? 02:28:25.360 --> 02:28:29.560 And we are a recreation district. 02:28:29.560 --> 02:28:33.120 We haven't really necessarily defined the bounds 02:28:33.120 --> 02:28:36.960 of what that is necessarily geographically. 02:28:36.960 --> 02:28:38.840 It's been discussed a little bit, 02:28:38.840 --> 02:28:41.920 but there hasn't been a line, 02:28:41.920 --> 02:28:46.320 we have a jurisdiction from a permitting perspective, 02:28:46.320 --> 02:28:49.200 but even from a harbor perspective, 02:28:49.200 --> 02:28:52.520 it extends to roads and airports and railroads 02:28:52.520 --> 02:28:53.920 and those sorts of things. 02:28:53.920 --> 02:28:56.240 And from a recreation perspective, 02:28:56.240 --> 02:29:00.680 it definitely extends down to a shelter cove, 02:29:00.680 --> 02:29:03.040 as far as, you know, as far as what we've taken on. 02:29:03.040 --> 02:29:06.360 We've never actually talked about where that, 02:29:06.360 --> 02:29:08.920 where the boundaries of that potential is, 02:29:08.920 --> 02:29:11.280 and so it's not, again, we're not gonna get into it here, 02:29:11.280 --> 02:29:14.400 but it is something that we could talk about in the future. 02:29:14.400 --> 02:29:16.200 We're also a conservation district 02:29:16.200 --> 02:29:18.400 that also hasn't seen necessarily 02:29:18.400 --> 02:29:20.840 or hasn't defined its boundaries. 02:29:20.840 --> 02:29:23.760 And so I just want to throw that out there 02:29:23.760 --> 02:29:27.160 for future discussion and then break into the panel. 02:29:27.160 --> 02:29:29.960 And with that, we'll just go right into questions. 02:29:31.480 --> 02:29:32.320 For panel. 02:29:32.320 --> 02:29:34.480 One thing I would just like to maybe tag onto that 02:29:34.480 --> 02:29:38.360 is that through the county trail planning process 02:29:38.360 --> 02:29:42.760 and the Annie and Mary Rail Trail rail banking process 02:29:42.760 --> 02:29:45.240 that HCOG is going through right now, 02:29:45.240 --> 02:29:49.240 there's an effort to talk about, you know, 02:29:50.960 --> 02:29:54.520 how do we link up our jurisdictions 02:29:54.520 --> 02:29:57.800 and deal with these regional systems 02:29:57.800 --> 02:29:59.160 in a way that makes sense. 02:29:59.160 --> 02:30:00.640 And there's lots of models out there, 02:30:00.640 --> 02:30:03.520 because there's obviously lots of 100 mile, 02:30:03.520 --> 02:30:05.960 200 mile trail systems out there that deal with this. 02:30:05.960 --> 02:30:09.120 But, you know, it would just, 02:30:09.120 --> 02:30:10.600 I would put out there that, you know, 02:30:10.600 --> 02:30:13.760 we could involve the district in those discussions 02:30:13.760 --> 02:30:15.840 to the extent you're interested or not. 02:30:15.840 --> 02:30:18.480 And they'll happen with the county trail plan, 02:30:18.480 --> 02:30:20.920 master plan process. 02:30:20.920 --> 02:30:23.040 The Annie and Mary is a little further afield, 02:30:23.040 --> 02:30:24.640 but it's the same concept of, you know, 02:30:24.640 --> 02:30:27.600 for the Annie and Mary, it's ranch area, two cities, 02:30:27.600 --> 02:30:30.280 Caltrans, water district, you know, 02:30:30.280 --> 02:30:31.680 and the county. 02:30:31.680 --> 02:30:34.760 And how do you, how does that facility work 02:30:34.760 --> 02:30:36.960 with all those, you know, between Arcadia and Eureka, 02:30:36.960 --> 02:30:39.600 it's all the same, plus the railroad authority, 02:30:40.840 --> 02:30:43.160 you know, and Fish and Wildlife Service 02:30:43.160 --> 02:30:45.120 and private landowners. 02:30:45.120 --> 02:30:50.120 So having some sort of catalyzing mechanism 02:30:50.960 --> 02:30:54.880 or some sort of umbrella or function 02:30:54.880 --> 02:30:56.600 that can help that process, 02:30:56.600 --> 02:31:01.200 obviously it's gotta be funded if it's a task, you know, 02:31:01.200 --> 02:31:04.720 but that is, that's one of the big hurdles of this. 02:31:04.720 --> 02:31:07.680 Right, and I don't mean to open a big can of worms on that, 02:31:07.680 --> 02:31:11.000 it's one of the road out there for future reference. 02:31:11.000 --> 02:31:11.840 Jennifer? 02:31:11.840 --> 02:31:13.040 I had a question for Jen, 02:31:13.040 --> 02:31:15.800 or I don't know if even Randy or Dan can even answer. 02:31:17.040 --> 02:31:19.440 Are there any cases where, like, 02:31:19.440 --> 02:31:23.560 the trail has come first and the trail itself has sparked, 02:31:23.560 --> 02:31:27.880 like a, what's the word, like a rebirth reinvigoration 02:31:27.880 --> 02:31:30.760 of an area, or is it always a, like, 02:31:30.760 --> 02:31:33.120 we want to throw a bunch of money into an area 02:31:33.120 --> 02:31:36.560 and we'll also include a trail in there? 02:31:36.560 --> 02:31:41.120 You know, is a trail itself, like, inherently something 02:31:41.120 --> 02:31:43.560 that propels better development? 02:31:43.560 --> 02:31:44.920 I have two responses to that, 02:31:44.920 --> 02:31:47.760 and then if you guys have others, please add. 02:31:47.760 --> 02:31:52.760 One is that the trail is an engine in itself 02:31:52.760 --> 02:31:54.960 if it's connected up. 02:31:54.960 --> 02:31:58.640 So pieces, like, I'd even say, you know, 02:31:58.640 --> 02:32:01.200 the boardwalk is a really tremendous asset, 02:32:01.200 --> 02:32:03.520 and if it was more connected, 02:32:03.520 --> 02:32:06.680 it would be many, many more times so. 02:32:06.680 --> 02:32:10.360 The hammond trail, each piece that gets added on 02:32:10.360 --> 02:32:13.200 or connected makes the whole thing way more attractive 02:32:13.200 --> 02:32:15.280 to neighboring real estate. 02:32:15.280 --> 02:32:17.800 And we did watch neighbors fight that 02:32:17.800 --> 02:32:21.080 and then wall it off and then turn around and face it 02:32:21.080 --> 02:32:23.120 and plant and caretake it. 02:32:23.120 --> 02:32:26.960 But in other areas, there are tons of examples 02:32:26.960 --> 02:32:28.000 of what you're talking about. 02:32:28.000 --> 02:32:31.120 Is the trail comes first, and I think the front page 02:32:31.120 --> 02:32:33.280 of this little pamphlet I passed out says that. 02:32:33.280 --> 02:32:38.280 You build it, and if it's built in its entirety, 02:32:39.800 --> 02:32:43.120 if it's built in a functional way that's well planned, 02:32:43.120 --> 02:32:47.320 it does attract additional investment and attract business. 02:32:47.320 --> 02:32:52.320 But if it's just pieces, I don't think it does so well, 02:32:52.400 --> 02:32:53.240 personally. 02:32:53.240 --> 02:32:55.000 And sometimes those are a problem. 02:32:55.000 --> 02:32:55.840 Yeah. 02:32:55.840 --> 02:32:57.360 Pieces that go to bushes, kids always find them. 02:32:57.360 --> 02:33:02.360 Well, you gotta remember too that the waterfront 02:33:02.360 --> 02:33:04.160 in this area, for example, or most areas, 02:33:04.160 --> 02:33:06.800 where the people have had it, is controlled by literally, 02:33:06.800 --> 02:33:08.640 you know, hundreds of private owners. 02:33:08.640 --> 02:33:09.600 Right. 02:33:09.600 --> 02:33:14.600 And for a public entity going to get them all to buy in, 02:33:14.600 --> 02:33:19.000 you know, there's a severe distrust 02:33:19.000 --> 02:33:22.440 between private property rights and public interest. 02:33:24.240 --> 02:33:25.720 But when you get private developers, 02:33:25.720 --> 02:33:29.040 or a block of private developers, filling in the pieces, 02:33:29.040 --> 02:33:31.240 it doesn't take long for it to spread to the other guys. 02:33:31.240 --> 02:33:35.400 They say, well, you know, how come he's getting $25 a foot 02:33:35.400 --> 02:33:37.960 for his real estate, which is a lot of times, 02:33:37.960 --> 02:33:41.040 is just a vacant, like Canary Row was a good thing. 02:33:41.040 --> 02:33:41.880 Yeah, Canary Row. 02:33:41.880 --> 02:33:42.720 In Monterey. 02:33:42.720 --> 02:33:46.880 And he's like, wow, he's embraced this trail, 02:33:46.880 --> 02:33:51.360 you know, he planned for it in his refurb or new development. 02:33:51.360 --> 02:33:53.640 And it catches on, it spreads. 02:33:53.640 --> 02:33:56.360 And, you know, I mean, right now, I mean, 02:33:56.360 --> 02:34:00.000 you're getting three, $4 a foot down in the, you know, 02:34:00.000 --> 02:34:04.520 lower sections of old town, you know, in the industrial area. 02:34:04.520 --> 02:34:06.960 A lot of those things can be pretty cool buildings. 02:34:06.960 --> 02:34:09.040 You know, if the owners had an incentive in traffic 02:34:09.040 --> 02:34:10.640 down there, right now, it's just, like I said, 02:34:10.640 --> 02:34:11.480 it's a wasteland. 02:34:11.480 --> 02:34:16.480 And so you gotta, you gotta embrace the private sector, 02:34:16.960 --> 02:34:19.280 decide to get them to sell the buy-in, and they will. 02:34:19.280 --> 02:34:21.000 I mean, it works. 02:34:21.000 --> 02:34:25.560 But part of like selling the idea to private business owners, 02:34:25.560 --> 02:34:29.200 private property owners, it would be true to say 02:34:29.200 --> 02:34:31.520 that once the trail is complete, 02:34:31.520 --> 02:34:35.400 that it does assist in renovation and better development. 02:34:36.600 --> 02:34:38.640 Yes, or am I understanding correctly? 02:34:38.640 --> 02:34:39.680 You can sell the vision, 02:34:39.680 --> 02:34:42.080 but until you see the developers, 02:34:42.080 --> 02:34:44.080 the adjacent landowners don't usually buy in. 02:34:44.080 --> 02:34:46.720 I mean, that's something that happens time to time, yeah. 02:34:48.800 --> 02:34:52.640 I looked into Vancouver's trails, 02:34:52.640 --> 02:34:55.920 which I saw a couple years ago, 02:34:55.920 --> 02:34:58.920 and asked my in-laws about that. 02:34:58.920 --> 02:35:03.920 And that city just bought a lot of land or bought frontage. 02:35:03.920 --> 02:35:08.920 But when they bought the frontage on the waterfront, 02:35:10.840 --> 02:35:14.240 it increased the value of the back property so much 02:35:15.880 --> 02:35:19.520 that they were willing, the owners were willing to say, 02:35:19.520 --> 02:35:21.600 yeah, you could buy that at a pretty good price, 02:35:21.600 --> 02:35:25.640 because there's some really nice places right behind 02:35:25.640 --> 02:35:30.000 that trail on what used to be essentially a cesspool, 02:35:30.000 --> 02:35:35.000 in that, I think it's a hidden creek, false creek area 02:35:35.480 --> 02:35:37.320 that used to be highly polluted. 02:35:38.960 --> 02:35:41.240 Are we talking Washington or BC? 02:35:41.240 --> 02:35:42.080 BC. 02:35:44.080 --> 02:35:47.080 On the, yeah, within the trail in Arcata, 02:35:47.080 --> 02:35:49.640 we did a joint study session with the Planning Commission 02:35:49.640 --> 02:35:52.680 and the City Council of Montego and said to them, 02:35:52.680 --> 02:35:55.440 is look, we need to be looking at selectively rezoning 02:35:55.440 --> 02:35:57.680 properties along this rail corridor, 02:35:57.680 --> 02:35:59.360 which is gonna become the rail trail. 02:35:59.360 --> 02:36:01.280 Downzoning some of these from heavy industrial, 02:36:01.280 --> 02:36:04.280 making them other uses, and then modifying our land use 02:36:04.280 --> 02:36:06.280 pattern patterns, because people are gonna wanna develop 02:36:06.280 --> 02:36:08.480 on this thing when we do this, and they're gonna wanna build 02:36:08.480 --> 02:36:12.200 towards the trail, not building out the other direction, 02:36:12.200 --> 02:36:14.360 but have the backend towards the trail network, 02:36:14.360 --> 02:36:17.040 and then encouraging certain types of developments 02:36:17.040 --> 02:36:19.400 within that, and changing land use patterns, 02:36:19.400 --> 02:36:21.240 and making incentives for developers, 02:36:21.240 --> 02:36:24.280 because I don't wanna get grant money. 02:36:24.280 --> 02:36:26.680 I want the developers to pay for it. 02:36:26.680 --> 02:36:30.080 I want to encourage them, open up the land that we want 02:36:30.080 --> 02:36:32.280 to develop for certain types of uses, 02:36:32.280 --> 02:36:34.840 and then let them pay for the improvements 02:36:34.840 --> 02:36:36.720 in order to do certain types of developments 02:36:36.720 --> 02:36:38.320 that are along their frontage, 02:36:38.320 --> 02:36:40.160 and that's pay for what we can pay, 02:36:40.160 --> 02:36:42.360 but the portions that are gonna benefit them, 02:36:42.360 --> 02:36:45.160 open up the land and let them pay for those portions. 02:36:48.360 --> 02:36:49.600 Good. 02:36:49.600 --> 02:36:51.920 For Dave, and maybe Mike and Pat, 02:36:51.920 --> 02:36:54.520 from the Harbor District's point of view, 02:36:54.520 --> 02:36:59.520 the regional trail boundaries, 02:36:59.560 --> 02:37:03.120 and given that you're basically, under your purview, 02:37:03.120 --> 02:37:05.680 is the high water line, how do you see 02:37:05.680 --> 02:37:09.800 the Harbor District's role in promoting 02:37:09.800 --> 02:37:14.720 and collaborating on this trail issue? 02:37:14.720 --> 02:37:17.360 I'll jump in just for a second, if I can, 02:37:17.360 --> 02:37:20.920 and that is that the high water mark 02:37:20.920 --> 02:37:23.280 is a jurisdictional line for permitting. 02:37:23.280 --> 02:37:24.800 We actually have trails already. 02:37:24.800 --> 02:37:26.520 We have a trail right out front of here, 02:37:26.520 --> 02:37:28.440 goes along the waterfront here. 02:37:28.440 --> 02:37:31.720 We have a trail in, it's not King Salmon, 02:37:31.720 --> 02:37:33.920 yeah, King Salmon, we have a trail there, 02:37:33.920 --> 02:37:37.280 and a beachfront, so we have upland recreational facilities 02:37:37.280 --> 02:37:39.360 with trails already. 02:37:39.360 --> 02:37:42.280 So that was kind of what I was talking about before, 02:37:42.280 --> 02:37:44.720 is we've never really actually defined 02:37:44.720 --> 02:37:47.760 the outside geographic boundary, necessarily, 02:37:47.760 --> 02:37:50.920 of what that is, to a certain extent, 02:37:50.920 --> 02:37:53.640 and Dave can speak to it a little bit more, 02:37:53.640 --> 02:37:55.840 I'm sure, knowledgeably than I can, 02:37:55.840 --> 02:37:58.920 but what I'm saying is that the jurisdiction 02:37:58.920 --> 02:38:03.920 for those things isn't quite as defined as high water mark. 02:38:04.560 --> 02:38:06.560 When you're talking about our influence, 02:38:06.560 --> 02:38:08.920 even the properties that we operate 02:38:08.920 --> 02:38:11.080 and the jurisdiction of any one of these 02:38:11.080 --> 02:38:13.720 harbor recreation or conservation, 02:38:13.720 --> 02:38:17.960 they're not quite as delineated as a high water mark, 02:38:17.960 --> 02:38:19.240 but I'll let Dave kind of... 02:38:19.240 --> 02:38:21.080 Cut, take a swing, David. 02:38:21.080 --> 02:38:23.480 Just to build on what Mike said, 02:38:23.480 --> 02:38:25.560 I think we're still looking like we talked 02:38:25.560 --> 02:38:27.600 in the beginning of the talk here, 02:38:27.600 --> 02:38:31.680 that we absolutely can work on things 02:38:31.680 --> 02:38:32.720 where we have the authority, 02:38:32.720 --> 02:38:35.000 and that's either the authority through the tight land grants 02:38:35.000 --> 02:38:36.760 or through legislation or something, 02:38:36.760 --> 02:38:38.040 or it's the authority that we have 02:38:38.040 --> 02:38:39.600 because we own the property. 02:38:39.600 --> 02:38:40.880 The two examples that Mike had, 02:38:40.880 --> 02:38:43.160 Woodley Island and down at King Salmon, 02:38:43.160 --> 02:38:45.480 we own the property, so that's easy for us 02:38:45.480 --> 02:38:47.120 to develop those kind of things. 02:38:47.120 --> 02:38:48.200 When we're talking about things, 02:38:48.200 --> 02:38:51.760 even as close to the bay as the proposed bay trail, 02:38:51.760 --> 02:38:54.440 it's not in our authority. 02:38:54.440 --> 02:38:56.440 It's above me and higher high water 02:38:56.440 --> 02:38:59.040 on the other side of the railroad or whatever, 02:38:59.920 --> 02:39:01.320 and we don't own it. 02:39:01.320 --> 02:39:02.720 So we get into that same thing 02:39:02.720 --> 02:39:05.800 that Jen was talking about a little while ago. 02:39:05.800 --> 02:39:08.560 While it's all these different agencies 02:39:08.560 --> 02:39:11.640 that are involved just in this seven miles here, 02:39:11.640 --> 02:39:12.760 we would be just another one. 02:39:12.760 --> 02:39:16.040 And for the time being, unless the district owned it, 02:39:16.040 --> 02:39:20.720 or unless all those six or seven agencies said, 02:39:20.720 --> 02:39:22.880 okay, district, we're gonna hand the keys 02:39:22.880 --> 02:39:25.800 to this trail over to you, we really are, 02:39:25.800 --> 02:39:27.040 which could happen. 02:39:27.040 --> 02:39:30.960 We kind of remain in the support role, which is the yay. 02:39:30.960 --> 02:39:33.520 Now, if I could just tailor off your question 02:39:33.520 --> 02:39:35.360 just for a second and get back to Jen, 02:39:35.360 --> 02:39:39.280 it strikes me that HCOG is really kind of set up 02:39:39.280 --> 02:39:41.480 to be that kind of umbrella agency 02:39:41.480 --> 02:39:42.480 for those kind of things. 02:39:42.480 --> 02:39:46.140 It represents, well, it represents all the cities anyway. 02:39:47.280 --> 02:39:49.560 We don't have a seat on it, but we could. 02:39:50.440 --> 02:39:51.560 And the county, exactly. 02:39:51.560 --> 02:39:55.920 So it seems like it's kind of naturally set up to do that. 02:39:55.920 --> 02:39:58.040 You've had more experience with them than I have. 02:39:58.040 --> 02:39:58.880 So is that- 02:39:58.880 --> 02:39:59.920 Yeah, where they see their limit 02:39:59.920 --> 02:40:01.720 is that they don't actually, 02:40:03.520 --> 02:40:06.520 they've never acted as a manager. 02:40:06.520 --> 02:40:11.520 They just act as a convener and decider kind of role. 02:40:11.520 --> 02:40:14.240 Do they have the authority though to be a manager? 02:40:14.240 --> 02:40:17.760 I think there are COGs and other sources 02:40:17.760 --> 02:40:20.680 of that realm of transportation, JPA, 02:40:20.680 --> 02:40:24.080 that go further, that go get into some of those realms, 02:40:24.080 --> 02:40:26.400 but I'm not that familiar with them. 02:40:26.400 --> 02:40:29.040 I'm certain some of the counties in like Marin, 02:40:29.040 --> 02:40:30.920 some of those are, well, they're affluent, 02:40:30.920 --> 02:40:32.800 so they're taking charge and they're just, 02:40:32.800 --> 02:40:34.420 they're filling that void. 02:40:34.420 --> 02:40:36.800 And I think our county's more reluctant. 02:40:36.800 --> 02:40:38.680 And of course, if we were gonna pick this one up, Dave, 02:40:38.680 --> 02:40:41.480 we'd have to figure out what revenue stream, 02:40:41.480 --> 02:40:45.040 who would be able to kind of, to foster, to offset it. 02:40:45.040 --> 02:40:47.600 I think a big part of our county's issue too, 02:40:47.600 --> 02:40:50.600 is that I think Humboldt County has way more 02:40:50.600 --> 02:40:53.160 of a burden of road mileage maintenance 02:40:53.160 --> 02:40:56.320 and unstable road mileage maintenance 02:40:56.320 --> 02:40:58.960 than places like Marin County and stuff. 02:40:58.960 --> 02:41:02.400 So I think they feel like they're overtaxed 02:41:02.400 --> 02:41:06.320 and maybe under, maybe there's maybe not as much 02:41:06.320 --> 02:41:08.640 of a tax base in a lot of where, 02:41:08.640 --> 02:41:10.320 places where there's a lot of road mileage 02:41:10.320 --> 02:41:12.640 they have to maintain, maybe there's not as much taxes 02:41:12.640 --> 02:41:14.680 contributed that maybe should be 02:41:16.320 --> 02:41:18.080 toward that maintenance. 02:41:18.080 --> 02:41:19.200 Now you're scratching the deep. 02:41:19.200 --> 02:41:23.520 Yeah, so anyway, I think that that's the challenge. 02:41:23.520 --> 02:41:26.760 County feels challenged to meet their, what they've got now 02:41:26.760 --> 02:41:30.000 and they feel concerned about adding more. 02:41:30.000 --> 02:41:32.520 Yeah, but this is something certainly that, you know, 02:41:32.520 --> 02:41:35.240 there's a lot of desire for the trails around the Bay 02:41:35.240 --> 02:41:39.280 and it's, and it could be something that we could grow into. 02:41:39.280 --> 02:41:41.160 And that's one of the reasons we're here convened 02:41:41.160 --> 02:41:43.040 trying to figure out, you know, kind of, 02:41:43.040 --> 02:41:46.520 cause things are changing and our role may change. 02:41:46.520 --> 02:41:47.360 Let's go with Steve. 02:41:47.360 --> 02:41:48.280 I think Hawk had a question. 02:41:48.280 --> 02:41:50.120 Okay, Hawk and then Steve's paper has an answer. 02:41:50.120 --> 02:41:50.960 I just wanted to, since this kind of ties 02:41:50.960 --> 02:41:55.120 into Dave's question, we're talking a lot about land trail 02:41:55.120 --> 02:41:57.200 but I want to refocus on water trail. 02:41:58.080 --> 02:42:00.800 Right now what we've got behind us is water access, 02:42:00.800 --> 02:42:02.640 not water trail. 02:42:02.640 --> 02:42:05.200 The Harbor District can say yes, 02:42:05.200 --> 02:42:06.840 we're going to have a water trail in the Bay 02:42:06.840 --> 02:42:08.880 where our kayaker can kayak from Woodley Island 02:42:08.880 --> 02:42:11.920 to Arcata and not get stuck in the mud at low tide 02:42:11.920 --> 02:42:14.400 if there was a sign trail system. 02:42:14.400 --> 02:42:15.800 I always hear from the Harbor District, 02:42:15.800 --> 02:42:17.600 like, oh, it's a liability. 02:42:17.600 --> 02:42:18.440 You know, we can't do that. 02:42:18.440 --> 02:42:21.520 And there's all these reasons why we can't have a trail 02:42:21.520 --> 02:42:24.320 like everybody else who has water trails marked 02:42:24.320 --> 02:42:27.320 with signs from point A to point B to point C. 02:42:27.320 --> 02:42:28.640 And I'd like to know from the committee, 02:42:28.640 --> 02:42:30.520 if you guys think that's a good idea 02:42:30.520 --> 02:42:32.280 to actually have a trail system marked, 02:42:32.280 --> 02:42:34.200 not just you can get into the Bay here, 02:42:34.200 --> 02:42:36.720 you can get into the Bay there, but here's a sign 02:42:36.720 --> 02:42:38.920 you can look so you don't get lost in the mud. 02:42:41.520 --> 02:42:44.080 The Harbor District can do that, can't they? 02:42:44.080 --> 02:42:44.920 Yeah. 02:42:44.920 --> 02:42:46.400 We can do whatever they want us to do. 02:42:46.400 --> 02:42:50.440 And I think that that plan is the beginning to get us there. 02:42:51.480 --> 02:42:53.680 You know, it does, you're absolutely right. 02:42:53.680 --> 02:42:55.800 It is an access plan, the way it's set up. 02:42:55.800 --> 02:42:58.120 And you're absolutely right, there is a hesitancy 02:42:58.120 --> 02:43:01.000 with regards to the perceived liability 02:43:01.000 --> 02:43:05.120 of laying out where trails are in the water. 02:43:05.120 --> 02:43:07.520 But that doesn't mean we won't get there one day. 02:43:07.520 --> 02:43:09.720 The point of that is to get it started 02:43:09.720 --> 02:43:12.080 and then see where that goes. 02:43:12.080 --> 02:43:15.760 Because we're taking on the parts that aren't controversial, 02:43:15.760 --> 02:43:17.760 which is the access parts. 02:43:17.760 --> 02:43:22.000 And quite honestly, I do see us moving forward 02:43:22.000 --> 02:43:24.200 with a water trail program eventually, 02:43:24.200 --> 02:43:26.920 but right now we're glad to get this far 02:43:26.920 --> 02:43:30.560 and to get then also to move forward with the facilities. 02:43:30.560 --> 02:43:32.560 So I mean, you're right. 02:43:32.560 --> 02:43:35.560 Your criticism is well taken. 02:43:35.560 --> 02:43:37.040 I think he makes a good point. 02:43:37.040 --> 02:43:39.560 But Jen, you've been researching this for years. 02:43:39.560 --> 02:43:40.400 So you... 02:43:40.400 --> 02:43:44.560 Well, I think what we started talking about 02:43:44.560 --> 02:43:49.080 in like 99 or 2000 was buoys. 02:43:49.080 --> 02:43:51.360 Was like a buoy marker system 02:43:51.360 --> 02:43:53.920 on the deep water channels in the bay. 02:43:53.920 --> 02:43:57.800 And then it came to maintenance and some liability issues. 02:43:57.800 --> 02:43:59.760 And I think the Coastal Conservancy, 02:43:59.760 --> 02:44:01.080 I don't remember what they said, 02:44:01.080 --> 02:44:05.360 but they recently kind of chimed in on liability issues. 02:44:05.360 --> 02:44:08.960 Yeah, they were looking for other examples 02:44:08.960 --> 02:44:10.960 of water trails on the bay too 02:44:10.960 --> 02:44:15.400 and safety issues regarding work recommending trails. 02:44:15.400 --> 02:44:18.240 And it's kind of, it would be a little bit of a new model. 02:44:18.240 --> 02:44:20.440 Like for instance, San Francisco has their government code 02:44:20.440 --> 02:44:21.920 that they really support water trails 02:44:21.920 --> 02:44:22.760 and they want to do them, 02:44:22.760 --> 02:44:25.120 but they've actually shelved making actual routes 02:44:25.120 --> 02:44:25.960 on the bay right now, 02:44:25.960 --> 02:44:28.640 because it's requires so much input, 02:44:28.640 --> 02:44:30.240 not only from other paddlers, 02:44:30.240 --> 02:44:33.160 but in Humboldt Bay's case would be the oyster farmers, 02:44:33.160 --> 02:44:34.720 sensitive habitat specialists, 02:44:34.720 --> 02:44:36.160 and all those of where to direct people 02:44:36.160 --> 02:44:38.200 on what kind of trails to have. 02:44:38.200 --> 02:44:40.160 And then they were also said, 02:44:40.160 --> 02:44:42.480 well, it makes sense for people who have GPS 02:44:42.480 --> 02:44:44.520 or other coordinates, but for novice voters, 02:44:44.520 --> 02:44:47.280 a dotted line on the bay might not make much sense 02:44:47.280 --> 02:44:49.520 of where to go unless you have channel markers 02:44:49.520 --> 02:44:51.040 to start that process would take more 02:44:51.040 --> 02:44:54.280 than what this effort can support at this time. 02:44:54.280 --> 02:44:57.000 So they also recognize that as well. 02:44:57.000 --> 02:44:59.640 Cuget Sound is a great example though. 02:44:59.640 --> 02:45:01.440 California is very litigious state, 02:45:01.440 --> 02:45:02.760 very always worried, nenehenehenehene, 02:45:02.760 --> 02:45:05.080 what's so worried, but all the other states, 02:45:05.080 --> 02:45:09.680 North Carolina, Maine, Virginia, Washington, Oregon, 02:45:09.680 --> 02:45:12.880 they've all got signed water trails in bays and salt water. 02:45:12.880 --> 02:45:15.080 It's done, the data's out there, 02:45:15.080 --> 02:45:17.440 everything is very easy to do. 02:45:17.440 --> 02:45:20.960 Just California just seems to have a problem with it. 02:45:20.960 --> 02:45:22.920 Maybe we can try that with the Coastal Commission. 02:45:22.920 --> 02:45:24.040 Go ahead, Stephen Pepper. 02:45:24.040 --> 02:45:27.880 Well, I was just gonna try to bring it back a little bit 02:45:27.880 --> 02:45:30.720 because I'm very much in support of trails 02:45:30.720 --> 02:45:33.680 and I definitely see it's kind of a photo-able scenario 02:45:33.680 --> 02:45:37.440 where it supports public benefit 02:45:37.440 --> 02:45:41.760 and private developer benefit and all those reasons. 02:45:41.760 --> 02:45:43.680 But at the same time, the first half of the meeting 02:45:43.680 --> 02:45:46.840 was sort of geared towards recreational fishing 02:45:46.840 --> 02:45:51.040 and kayaking and paddling. 02:45:51.040 --> 02:45:53.680 And I'm missing one, what was the other one? 02:45:53.680 --> 02:45:55.800 Birding. Birding, exactly, sorry. 02:45:55.800 --> 02:45:57.240 From the water trip. 02:45:57.240 --> 02:45:59.360 Or if they're anywhere, right? 02:45:59.360 --> 02:46:01.200 And so to me, it kind of seems like 02:46:01.200 --> 02:46:04.240 when I'm thinking about I'm gonna go on vacation 02:46:04.240 --> 02:46:06.080 and I'm gonna pick a destination 02:46:06.080 --> 02:46:08.680 or what constitutes a destination that I wanna go to, 02:46:10.080 --> 02:46:12.720 for here, obviously, it's the Redwoods 02:46:12.720 --> 02:46:15.120 or if you're a birder, you're the birder 02:46:15.120 --> 02:46:16.400 and you've seen the Redwood once 02:46:16.400 --> 02:46:18.040 and you wanna come back and see the different birds 02:46:18.040 --> 02:46:19.400 because maybe that's more unique 02:46:19.400 --> 02:46:21.520 or the paddling experience. 02:46:21.520 --> 02:46:24.440 So it's not just people coming to the Redwoods 02:46:24.440 --> 02:46:26.080 that wanna come here. 02:46:26.080 --> 02:46:29.880 What supports them making that decision 02:46:29.880 --> 02:46:32.440 that they wanna come here rather than something else? 02:46:32.440 --> 02:46:34.520 Well, it's the inherent attributes about it 02:46:34.520 --> 02:46:36.040 like the bay, for example. 02:46:36.040 --> 02:46:37.520 But you can take that one step further 02:46:37.520 --> 02:46:41.960 and say ancillary benefits or services provided 02:46:41.960 --> 02:46:43.920 or IE, other types of businesses, 02:46:43.920 --> 02:46:46.960 help provide that because it makes their experience better. 02:46:46.960 --> 02:46:51.040 So if you are coming to Humboldt Bay to fish, 02:46:51.040 --> 02:46:53.160 you're not gonna be able to go recreational fishing 02:46:53.160 --> 02:46:55.120 if there isn't recreational sport fish people 02:46:55.120 --> 02:46:56.400 to take you there. 02:46:56.400 --> 02:46:58.320 If you were gonna launch your boat, 02:46:59.480 --> 02:47:01.360 say for example in fields landing 02:47:01.360 --> 02:47:05.960 because that's the closest boat ramps to the bay 02:47:05.960 --> 02:47:07.200 and you go down there, 02:47:07.200 --> 02:47:08.520 well, there's not much down there 02:47:08.520 --> 02:47:09.800 other than the boat ramp in the parking lot. 02:47:09.800 --> 02:47:12.240 There's not a shop where you could gear up 02:47:12.240 --> 02:47:15.680 or buy that extra this or that that you need, for example. 02:47:15.680 --> 02:47:17.240 So I think one of the, 02:47:19.200 --> 02:47:22.320 I was trying to brainstorm some different ideas 02:47:22.320 --> 02:47:23.160 while I was sitting here. 02:47:23.160 --> 02:47:24.800 I didn't really come up with very many 02:47:24.800 --> 02:47:27.440 other than the fact that perhaps, 02:47:27.440 --> 02:47:28.720 this is very small potatoes, 02:47:28.720 --> 02:47:31.080 but perhaps there could be an actual structure 02:47:31.080 --> 02:47:32.840 on the Harbor District property 02:47:32.840 --> 02:47:36.400 somewhere that could be leased out on a daily basis almost. 02:47:36.400 --> 02:47:38.960 Where the shop like, where you could set up 02:47:38.960 --> 02:47:41.760 or tear down or store some boats there 02:47:41.760 --> 02:47:45.120 or some sort of mechanism that would support businesses, 02:47:45.120 --> 02:47:47.160 whether it was the birders or the kayakers 02:47:47.160 --> 02:47:49.200 or the recreational sport fishers, 02:47:49.200 --> 02:47:53.440 if they feel like that's gonna be a big fishing weekend 02:47:53.440 --> 02:47:54.800 for whatever reason, 02:47:54.800 --> 02:47:57.960 then they could just quickly lease this facility, 02:47:57.960 --> 02:48:02.760 set up shop, provide some ancillary services 02:48:02.760 --> 02:48:05.840 beyond their core competency of their business. 02:48:05.840 --> 02:48:08.040 And then after that weekend was over, 02:48:08.040 --> 02:48:09.960 close it up, it's not a lot of, 02:48:11.400 --> 02:48:14.120 maybe designed in a low maintenance fashion. 02:48:14.120 --> 02:48:16.200 And therefore that's one mechanism 02:48:16.200 --> 02:48:19.520 what's absolutely within the scope because it's property. 02:48:19.520 --> 02:48:22.840 And, I'm kind of thinking out loud here now, 02:48:22.840 --> 02:48:25.200 but you kind of get the idea I think. 02:48:25.200 --> 02:48:28.760 Well, synergies, it was interesting that, 02:48:30.520 --> 02:48:33.120 Tom's doing birds and Hawk's doing boats 02:48:33.120 --> 02:48:34.640 and there's a crossover. 02:48:34.640 --> 02:48:36.880 And I think there's a lot of, 02:48:38.240 --> 02:48:40.080 as we're talking about tourism, 02:48:40.080 --> 02:48:41.720 the more you diversify 02:48:41.720 --> 02:48:44.080 and have those additional things and reasons 02:48:44.080 --> 02:48:46.920 and they're all well promoted and they're all well founded. 02:48:46.920 --> 02:48:50.120 And then we develop the infrastructure associated with them. 02:48:50.120 --> 02:48:52.640 That's, I think that's a path to plus business 02:48:52.640 --> 02:48:53.720 that's fairly solid. 02:48:56.440 --> 02:48:59.680 And, Larry brought up the infrastructure right next to the 02:49:01.400 --> 02:49:04.400 tourist based businesses is optimal. 02:49:04.400 --> 02:49:05.240 Mike. 02:49:05.240 --> 02:49:06.080 Yeah. 02:49:06.080 --> 02:49:07.720 Yeah, I just wanted to kind of wrap in a way 02:49:07.720 --> 02:49:11.080 because wrap up the thought that's happened here. 02:49:11.080 --> 02:49:13.520 We did get off on trails for a long time, 02:49:13.520 --> 02:49:15.480 but everything in this discussion tonight 02:49:15.480 --> 02:49:17.040 is all tied together. 02:49:17.040 --> 02:49:18.880 I mean, it certainly was by your intent 02:49:18.880 --> 02:49:21.520 and the way you agendize what was going to happen 02:49:21.520 --> 02:49:23.000 and get the speakers. 02:49:23.000 --> 02:49:24.320 But even more so, 02:49:24.320 --> 02:49:26.520 and this has happened in every single one of these meetings 02:49:26.520 --> 02:49:29.200 where you see the relationship between everybody 02:49:29.200 --> 02:49:31.200 that sits on the panel 02:49:31.200 --> 02:49:33.520 in ways that maybe not all of them had 02:49:33.520 --> 02:49:35.200 totally appreciated before 02:49:35.200 --> 02:49:38.200 or anyone has totally capitalized on. 02:49:38.200 --> 02:49:41.720 And perhaps that comes back to Dave's earlier comment, 02:49:41.720 --> 02:49:43.800 what the Harbor District sees in all of this, 02:49:43.800 --> 02:49:45.200 especially the trails. 02:49:46.440 --> 02:49:48.880 We're all talking about what happens around the Bay. 02:49:48.880 --> 02:49:50.680 I mean, it is your jurisdiction. 02:49:50.680 --> 02:49:52.280 It doesn't matter if it's tourism 02:49:52.280 --> 02:49:54.160 or we're being healthier 02:49:54.160 --> 02:49:56.320 because we're getting people to be active. 02:49:56.320 --> 02:49:58.760 It's more about the fact we're turning our attention 02:49:58.760 --> 02:49:59.960 to what is the Bay. 02:49:59.960 --> 02:50:01.760 We've said this and it's come up other times 02:50:01.760 --> 02:50:03.920 in other forums for the Harbor District, 02:50:03.920 --> 02:50:07.960 but really it is a mindset that has changed 02:50:07.960 --> 02:50:09.880 where a lot more of our community, 02:50:09.880 --> 02:50:10.960 not just the tourists, 02:50:10.960 --> 02:50:12.520 but the people that live here and work here 02:50:12.520 --> 02:50:15.040 and have businesses or recreate here 02:50:15.040 --> 02:50:16.920 are looking at the Bay as something more 02:50:16.920 --> 02:50:18.200 than it was before. 02:50:18.200 --> 02:50:20.360 And that is a leadership role 02:50:20.360 --> 02:50:22.520 that the Harbor District could really take 02:50:22.520 --> 02:50:27.040 and capitalize on of being a feature asset 02:50:27.040 --> 02:50:29.320 beyond what they have been traditionally. 02:50:29.320 --> 02:50:30.640 They're actually a cheerleader 02:50:30.640 --> 02:50:33.520 for what is all these things put together. 02:50:33.520 --> 02:50:35.760 Well, and I think, of course, things like paddle fest 02:50:35.760 --> 02:50:38.520 where we join with the boaters and they celebrate. 02:50:38.520 --> 02:50:39.760 And then people look off the bridge 02:50:39.760 --> 02:50:41.680 and there's a thousand brightly colored boats 02:50:41.680 --> 02:50:42.520 floating out there. 02:50:42.520 --> 02:50:44.480 They're going, I wanna do that. 02:50:44.480 --> 02:50:47.520 So we are kind of promoting it to ourselves. 02:50:47.520 --> 02:50:50.640 And I think that the community more and more 02:50:50.640 --> 02:50:51.760 is identifying with the Bay. 02:50:51.760 --> 02:50:53.680 I mean, I remember before, 02:50:53.680 --> 02:50:55.200 I used to, you know, it's just like, 02:50:55.200 --> 02:50:56.760 it smells like sulfur. 02:50:56.760 --> 02:51:00.080 I don't think when I first came to Humboldt Bay. 02:51:00.080 --> 02:51:02.480 I mean, it just, and now I'm much more struck 02:51:02.480 --> 02:51:04.840 with its beauty and I catch its halibut 02:51:04.840 --> 02:51:06.400 and I've got all kinds of relationships. 02:51:06.400 --> 02:51:08.800 And really it is true because you hear people 02:51:08.800 --> 02:51:12.800 just like Leroy Zerling, you know, 02:51:12.800 --> 02:51:15.240 someone who lives on the Bay pretty much 02:51:15.240 --> 02:51:17.720 and what he does and how he works. 02:51:17.720 --> 02:51:21.680 But his broader vision of all these other things 02:51:21.680 --> 02:51:24.160 to me was remarkable because you'd see him 02:51:24.160 --> 02:51:26.240 as being a pretty hardworking guy 02:51:26.240 --> 02:51:28.000 who was out there doing a thing, 02:51:28.000 --> 02:51:30.000 but not having the same appreciation 02:51:30.000 --> 02:51:31.880 for a lot of the stuff we're talking about tonight. 02:51:31.880 --> 02:51:35.360 And he was speaking at a totally another part of this forum. 02:51:35.360 --> 02:51:36.640 Well, and our Bay is iconic. 02:51:36.640 --> 02:51:38.760 I mean, it's one of the cleanest on the West Coast. 02:51:38.760 --> 02:51:41.040 It has a, it's a huge food resource. 02:51:41.040 --> 02:51:43.760 It's got the habitat for wildlife and fish. 02:51:43.760 --> 02:51:46.800 And so it's kind of been under promoted. 02:51:46.800 --> 02:51:47.760 We've heard it all night tonight, 02:51:47.760 --> 02:51:49.560 world-class from a number of people, you know, 02:51:49.560 --> 02:51:52.880 and we never go around, you know, 02:51:52.880 --> 02:51:54.200 we can say world-class birding 02:51:54.200 --> 02:51:56.640 and world-class for kayaking or whatever, 02:51:56.640 --> 02:51:59.040 all the other issues, but it's world-class. 02:51:59.040 --> 02:52:00.520 You know, I mean, it's a world-class Bay 02:52:00.520 --> 02:52:01.520 for a lot of people. 02:52:02.960 --> 02:52:06.480 So one topic that we didn't really talk about, 02:52:06.480 --> 02:52:08.520 you know, because we're talking about 02:52:08.520 --> 02:52:10.120 the recreation infrastructure 02:52:10.120 --> 02:52:12.520 and the more recreation we do, 02:52:12.520 --> 02:52:16.840 there's a lot of sort of industrial underutilized parcel 02:52:16.840 --> 02:52:19.040 that's in particular in the small peninsula. 02:52:19.040 --> 02:52:21.880 And that eventually when that gets built back up, 02:52:21.880 --> 02:52:24.240 you know, what about the conflicts between, 02:52:24.240 --> 02:52:25.440 you know, industrial development, 02:52:25.440 --> 02:52:26.920 recreational kinds of uses, 02:52:26.920 --> 02:52:29.440 and what kind of uses do we want to see in the long term, 02:52:29.440 --> 02:52:31.560 you know, as we're developing these and, you know, 02:52:31.560 --> 02:52:34.480 this conflicts and the inherent, you know, 02:52:34.480 --> 02:52:37.240 there's conflicts when you get to some of these kinds of uses 02:52:37.240 --> 02:52:39.400 and that, you know, the more recreational activities, 02:52:39.400 --> 02:52:40.440 the more pressure there's going to be, 02:52:40.440 --> 02:52:42.280 oh, you don't want to develop some of these pieces, 02:52:42.280 --> 02:52:43.520 you know, even though there's own that, 02:52:43.520 --> 02:52:45.200 they've historically been used. 02:52:45.200 --> 02:52:47.720 These are, I don't want to get into this, 02:52:47.720 --> 02:52:48.960 but I mean, this is something that I think 02:52:48.960 --> 02:52:50.920 that we have to address at some point in time. 02:52:50.920 --> 02:52:54.040 Because what we're neglecting here, as we usually do, 02:52:54.040 --> 02:52:56.160 we're sticking kind of what are we going to do 02:52:56.160 --> 02:52:59.480 for culmination and towards the end of our meeting schedule 02:52:59.480 --> 02:53:02.720 and putting it into kind of overtime here. 02:53:02.720 --> 02:53:06.240 But I work with Mike and talk to some of the other 02:53:06.240 --> 02:53:09.480 committee members, and one of the things we're looking at 02:53:09.480 --> 02:53:14.480 is what about having a geographically based section 02:53:15.040 --> 02:53:18.640 or forum kind of like what you're talking about, 02:53:18.640 --> 02:53:21.320 where we start to look at the Samoa Peninsula 02:53:21.320 --> 02:53:25.960 versus development on the Eureka at Tefeel's landing site. 02:53:25.960 --> 02:53:28.760 Because what's interesting is as we broach things like, 02:53:29.720 --> 02:53:34.000 oh, the museum, the Timber Heritage Museum, 02:53:34.000 --> 02:53:35.840 some people come up to me and they go, 02:53:35.840 --> 02:53:37.440 that should be in Eureka. 02:53:37.440 --> 02:53:39.600 That should be right next to Old Town. 02:53:39.600 --> 02:53:42.240 So in other words, people have pretty strong opinions 02:53:42.240 --> 02:53:44.960 about where these things should go together. 02:53:44.960 --> 02:53:46.600 And I was just wondering whether or not, 02:53:46.600 --> 02:53:50.720 I'm going to send out this tentative ending schedule 02:53:50.720 --> 02:53:52.200 and it would have that one meeting 02:53:52.200 --> 02:53:54.080 that would be geographic specific, 02:53:54.080 --> 02:53:57.120 and that is Samoa Peninsula, Eureka Waterfront, 02:53:57.120 --> 02:53:58.640 Tefeel's Landing, King Salmon, 02:53:58.640 --> 02:54:01.680 considering development geographically. 02:54:01.680 --> 02:54:05.680 Then I had suggested that, in our meetings, 02:54:05.680 --> 02:54:08.800 that will be fisheries and aquaculture is next, 02:54:08.800 --> 02:54:13.800 restoration of Humboldt Bay would be our sixth in October. 02:54:13.960 --> 02:54:16.400 Then we would have one that would be geographic specific 02:54:16.400 --> 02:54:19.040 and we'd move to the middle of November the 18th, 02:54:19.040 --> 02:54:20.720 and then have a synthesis. 02:54:20.720 --> 02:54:23.960 Have, sit around and say, what did we find? 02:54:23.960 --> 02:54:25.960 And then it would be our responsibility 02:54:25.960 --> 02:54:27.400 to put that in writing, 02:54:27.400 --> 02:54:30.040 and then we would bring that back to the committee 02:54:30.040 --> 02:54:34.080 in the last Wednesday of January, 2010, 02:54:34.080 --> 02:54:35.840 and that would be our final report 02:54:35.840 --> 02:54:39.080 that we would then present back to the Harbor District 02:54:39.080 --> 02:54:40.480 to our fellow commissioners, 02:54:40.480 --> 02:54:43.120 and others could use it as they wish. 02:54:43.120 --> 02:54:47.240 That's just, you know, it seems to me that we're, 02:54:47.240 --> 02:54:48.720 each of these is so jam-packed, 02:54:48.720 --> 02:54:50.240 we're really not doing the synthesis. 02:54:50.240 --> 02:54:51.520 We're not doing the synergy. 02:54:51.520 --> 02:54:54.480 We're not doing the, how does it all fit together? 02:54:54.480 --> 02:54:56.440 So I think we need a couple more meetings. 02:54:56.440 --> 02:54:58.720 I'll submit this to you for your consideration 02:54:58.720 --> 02:55:00.960 as an attached file and email. 02:55:00.960 --> 02:55:05.600 And next time we'll have some quality time to discuss this 02:55:05.600 --> 02:55:07.840 because I think it's important. 02:55:07.840 --> 02:55:09.560 These meetings are so much fun, though, 02:55:09.560 --> 02:55:12.720 and you know, so we always, we always fill them up. 02:55:12.720 --> 02:55:15.880 But we'll put a little planning time on the next agenda. 02:55:15.880 --> 02:55:19.960 Any other thing to call to our attention before we close? 02:55:19.960 --> 02:55:21.240 Thanks so much. 02:55:21.240 --> 02:55:22.080 Great panel. 02:55:22.080 --> 02:55:41.080 Thank you.